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I've got an early 70s Slingerland 3-ply Avante kit (14x24, 8x12, 9x13, 10x14, 16x16) that was originally wrapped in black cortex. The wrap was in horrific condition and has since been removed from the shells. I haven't done a thing with the shells since I removed the wrap other than apply some WWII-era "waterslides" to each (see pics).

I've always loved the look of the vintage duco kits and currently own a 50s Slingy black/gold bass drum with matching snare. Unfortunately, I've never been able to find the matching toms to complete that particular kit.

Lately I've been considering having my Avante kit painted as a duco kit. I honestly would never use the kit with the "three-up" configuration, so I'd probably only need one or two of the rack toms painted, in lieu of all three. I've seen and admired the duco kit done by fellow forum member Purdie Shuffle (John) and imagine that there might be others who also do this type of work. Unfortunately I'm not gifited enough to even attempt that type of project.

I'm just wondering if any of you out there might be in a position to provide me with a "ballpark estimate" of what it might cost to have three or four shells painted (duco style) and the badges re-installed on the shells. If so, please feel free to drop me a PM at your convenience.

As I mentioned above, at this time it's simply an idea that I'm considering. I'm trying to obtain any and all possible information so that I can make the right decision sometime down the road.

THANKS in advance for your time and your help!

Posted on 11 years ago
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This mite be in the ball park of 300 to 750 depending on prep I'd think I'm close plus shipping it mite even go 1k if its pearls and metallics like a car 4stage it's a lot of work considering 1 stage is a 1 color coat of some kind ,like candy apple is silver base and red overlay that's a 2stage this mite be better answered by jccabinetts

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Posted on 11 years ago
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I do tons of finishing on cabinets so I know what to do with them. Drum finishes are all different, as you know. The duco's are something I have never tried before and I’m limited with the products that I use. I don’t have the experience and knowledge that goes with the automotive paint. My stuff is basically clear pre or post cat lacquers. They can tint the clears or they have an opaque base that can be tinted and that’s how I get my colors for my painted cabinets.

I have used products from, paintwithpearl.com and have been very successful. I think I could do the job. The material would get expensive since these pigmented lacquers are only sold in gallons and you would need two gallons obviously. Also would need a clear coat top finish I would think depending on the final sheen. As far as labor, I wouldn’t charge much if anything, it sounds like fun.The shipping would be a factor also as I would need one of the old drums to match with. Actually I would not do the color match, my color studio guy would do that and he is the best. You would end up with a high quality finish, not spray paint.

I am in Illinois, how far are you? If were close by It would be fun to try. The first thing I would do is take an old drum shell and some old paint (pigmented lacquer) and just try it and see how it goes. It could be a disaster! Or it might work just fine. OK, now I am gonna have to try this! Lol.

Jeff C


Thank you!
Jeff C

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Posted on 11 years ago
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I did a bunch of custom drums (with nitro fades) for a local maker as well as my guitars (including three-color sunbursts) but I'm just not set up to do it any longer...

You may also want to check some local body shops as well. They might even have some 'scrap' silver from a job that would make a nice base color, and then (if they mix in house) you could get a pint of color for the edges- if it is black, even better.

I would not do it two-stage as the originals were not done that way. But, if you want the 'six inches deep plastic look' you will need a two-stage system, with a block and buff to the clear finish.

Paint is not cheap, but using what is available rather than matching a specific color is cheaper. A good painter will cost you, but the quality of the finished product is in direct relation to that, particularly if it will be single stage. I always did two-stage so that I could block and buff. Getting a decent soft edge AND keeping a gloss with single stage is not easy at all (lots or retarder and killer skills)... And buffing color with a soft edge will make the edge wavy at best- it has to be shot perfect and left alone, which is why technique is so important in this case.

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Posted on 11 years ago
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Krylon rattle can paint (fine spray) Clear-coat and an old turntable set at 33 1/3 RPM created these. Doesn't have to be complicated.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/90071033@N02/8187743944/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/90071033@N02/8187767244/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/90071033@N02/8187767306/

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 11 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

Krylon rattle can paint (fine spray) Clear-coat and an old turntable set at 33 1/3 RPM created these. Doesn't have to be complicated.http://www.flickr.com/photos/90071033@N02/8187743944/http://www.flickr.com/photos/90071033@N02/8187767244/http://www.flickr.com/photos/90071033@N02/8187767306/John

John, it was fun to look at those again. You have to be an artist to have that kind of sucsses with spraypaint, I can barely paint a black hoop with the stuff. Still looking for a turntable. Again, very impressive job on those!

Jeff C


Thank you!
Jeff C

"Enjoy every sandwich" Warren Zevon
Posted on 11 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

Krylon rattle can paint (fine spray) Clear-coat and an old turntable set at 33 1/3 RPM created these. Doesn't have to be complicated.http://www.flickr.com/photos/90071033@N02/8187743944/http://www.flickr.com/photos/90071033@N02/8187767244/http://www.flickr.com/photos/90071033@N02/8187767306/John

John: You're killin' me with those pics! You know what I think of that kit. It might not have been "complicated" for someone with your talent but, believe me, for a one-eyed "old guy" like me it would prove to be too much of a challenge.

GREAT work!Clapping Happy2

Posted on 11 years ago
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I agree with OldSchool, your Clubbies look great John! I am pretty sure you posess well above average spray painting abilities. (no human could stack nor spray paint drums like that!) Others mileage may vary. I would have to set the turntable to at least 45rpm to avoid drips.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 11 years ago
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> I am pretty sure you posess well above average spray painting abilities. (no human could stack nor spray paint drums like that!)

LOL - Not so. The only trick, if there is one, that I use was; multiple light coats of everything with 00-00 steel wool used to level everything off between coats.

There are 6 or 7 'light coats' of paint on those shells. That many coats gives real depth to the finish. The color is vivid and rich. (that were smoothed with the steel wool in-between coats.)

At least 5 'light coats' of high gloss clear-coat. Again with 00-00 steel wool used between coats to keep the surface of the drum smooth as glass. That's what it felt like too, like you were rubbing a piece of glass. No 'special talent' or 'rattle-can wizardry' needed, just common sense, hard work and patience.

Anybody can do that!

Thanks all for very kind words. Don't mind me, I just love showing off that kit!

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 11 years ago
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John you have far more patience then I do. Very tedious work but beautiful results. We should call you "John the -Purdie-Duco paint man-Shuffle. :)

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 11 years ago
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