Can anyone tell me if this stamp has been used on any Zildjian cymbals since the 70/80s? Note the Cie, the crescent, andthe Constantinople. However, I can't seem to positively make out an "A" in front of Zildjian. It's obviously not a K. It appears to only say Zildjian and Cie.
I have a guy trying to sell this to me over the internet. I really don't care so much about vintage, I just want to make sure it is a top quality cymbal and not some budget line.
Yes, they did make Constantinoples with that badge in the 80's.
Can anyone tell me if this stamp has been used on any Zildjian cymbals since the 70/80s? Note the Cie, the crescent, andthe Constantinople. However, I can't seem to positively make out an "A" in front of Zildjian. It's obviously not a K. It appears to only say Zildjian and Cie.I have a guy trying to sell this to me over the internet. I really don't care so much about vintage, I just want to make sure it is a top quality cymbal and not some budget line.
Constantinoples are just a different line with a different sound. Nothing budget about them. Since you're not familiar with Constaninoples or their sound, why are you interested in this one? I generally avoid cymbals I can't hear first. I occasionally will buy one based on a well recorded sound file, and from a trusted source, but even then its a horse race.
Ok. As it turns out, the cymbal IS an A. Zildjian. The "A" is just very faint on the cymbal, as is the "c" in Constantinople. Zildjian first used this stamp on cymbals that were marketed through Gretsch in the 50's, then used it on the brilliant A. Zildjians during the 70's/80s.
As for being unfamiliar with the sound, how bad can I do for $20 plus shipping? It was posted at Guitar Center dot com, but they didn't know what it was due to lack of ink, so they sold it for cheap.
Ok. As it turns out, the cymbal IS an A. Zildjian. The "A" is just very faint on the cymbal, as is the "c" in Constantinople. Zildjian first used this stamp on cymbals that were marketed through Gretsch in the 50's, then used it on the brilliant A. Zildjians during the 70's/80s.As for being unfamiliar with the sound, how bad can I do for $20 plus shipping? It was posted at Guitar Center dot com, but they didn't know what it was due to lack of ink, so they sold it for cheap.
Regardless of the A being there, its NOT an A. Zildjian, its a Zildjian & Cie Constantinople, a completely different line owned by the Avedis Zildjian Co. in the same way that modern K. Zildjians are a completely different line, and K Constantinoples (KCons) are a separate line. If you take some time and search this site you will learn a lot about the historical origins of Zildjian cymbals from their early 17th century beginnings to the move to America of part of the family in the early 20th century, the eventual absorption of the Turkish Zildjian business at the end of the '70s and the split between the American Zildjian brothers which resulted with Robert Zildjian's founding of Sabian. Its a complex story which accounts for the various brand names Zildjian cymbals have been sold under, both here and in Istanbul.
There is a lot of complexity understanding cymbal stamps.The members here have been learning about them for years with Drumaholics assistance. Don't jump to conclusions
As for the price, if its as advertised, you can't go wrong for $20 regardless of the size, unless its severely cracked. BTW, what size is it?
It's a "top quality" Avedis Zildjian. That's the stamp they used on Brilliant (buffed) cymbals from the mid 70s.
..Joe
It's a "top quality" Avedis Zildjian. That's the stamp they used on Brilliant (buffed) cymbals from the mid 70s.
Exactly. Although based on an old thread I found from another site, in which drumaholic participated, it's perhaps late '70's. Possibly the same thread that jeff_r0x got his info from.
http://www.drumforum.org/index.php?/topic/12390-zildjian-brilliant-finish-when-did-they-start/
Actually I had gotten more of my info from Hidehitters and a couple of others, even I though did see that thread later on.
Yes indeed. Now that the pie has arrived, I can tell you that it appears to most definitely be a 70's/80s Brilliant line and not the "Vintage" Cie cymbals of either modern issue. It has a beautiful sound and appearance. It seems to fit perfectly for what I had hoped it to do. Maybe I will post a demo later this week.
Not a bad find for $20 off the Guitar Center website. Party
Actually I had gotten more of my info from Hidehitters and a couple of others, even I though did see that thread later on. Yes indeed. Now that the pie has arrived, I can tell you that it appears to most definitely be a 70's/80s Brilliant line and not the "Vintage" Cie cymbals of either modern issue. It has a beautiful sound and appearance. It seems to fit perfectly for what I had hoped it to do. Maybe I will post a demo later this week.Not a bad find for $20 off the Guitar Center website. Party
You never did tell us the size and weight.
