That model was avail. in steel or brass...still no way to only visually tell the differance.
Ummm....yes. There is, as I found out earlier. Check out the 1974 catalog pic.
Lower left, steel with two bands and the knurling. Center lower, brass with three rings, no knurling.
Ok, I think I've finally answered my own question by finally finding a decent catalog scan. The steel shell 10-lug drum has two "lines" or "ribs" if you will all the way around the drum and the center bead of the shell had the vertical "knurling" that I was asking about above. The Brass shell drums have NO "knurling" and have three "lines" or "ribs" if you will all around the shell. Also, in the catalog scans I found, they were calling the drum in question a "Deluxe brass model" and NOT the Jupiter as I had originally thought. The Jupiter is the parallel action strainer model ONLY. Thank you to those that did clarify that earlier in the postings. So now I know what I'm going to be bidding on, and hopefully manage to win. BTW, two of the sellers responded with "I'm not sure what the drum is made of, but it sure is heavy." One would think that would be a tip-off, however, steel is rather heavy too compared to a supraphonic snare.......
I believe that model you're wondering about is this one.
I still don't believe there is a way to only visually tell the difference...
Ummm....yes. There is, as I found out earlier. Check out the 1974 catalog pic.Lower left, steel with two bands and the knurling. Center lower, brass with three rings, no knurling.
Wow...there it is....4414...Thanks Ludwig-dude. But..there are brass models that look like that, (4514), where you still wont be able to only tell the difference visually as in the pic above in my post. Sorry, I've seen you quoted my post before I had finished editing it...lol
So what I've found out so far is...
4414's in the catalog pic above are steel
4514's are brass or steel
these all look the same to me.
4814's, 4914's COB (with parallel strainers) are Jupiters
Hey.
I've been going to comment on this for quite some time, but just haven't gotten to it. And, I'm NOT trying to cause trouble here, but there is a problem with information coming from the "74-ish" Pearl catalog that is being referenced in this thread.
I have personally not seen this catalog (except as posted on the sister site), but something's NOT right with it. The "new" style of tom holders (7/8" ones) that are in this catalog didn't come out until after the mid 1970s. Check out the tom holders in the 1975 catalog (which I know the date is right on this one, 'cause I have one). I'm thinking the "74-ish" catalog actually should be listed as either 1977 or possibly even 1979...
Not trying to hi-jack the thread, just needed to point that out...
Bill
Hey.I've been going to comment on this for quite some time, but just haven't gotten to it. And, I'm NOT trying to cause trouble here, but there is a problem with information coming from the "74-ish" Pearl catalog that is being referenced in this thread.I have personally not seen this catalog (except as posted on the sister site), but something's NOT right with it. The "new" style of tom holders (7/8" ones) that are in this catalog didn't come out until after the mid 1970s. Check out the tom holders in the 1975 catalog (which I know the date is right on this one, 'cause I have one). I'm thinking the "74-ish" catalog actually should be listed as either 1977 or possibly even 1979...Not trying to hi-jack the thread, just needed to point that out...Bill
Ok, maybe so on the date of the catalog, but the date dosn't really have any input on my original question, which was is there a way to visually tell the difference between a brass shell "jupiter" and the similar looking steel shell model? The "74-ish" catalog page illustrates clearly that there is, while the other year catalog pages are clearly mixed up or just plain vague.
whats the diff sound wise between a 10 lug brass snare, gladstone throw off and a 10 lug brass snare, parallel (jupiter) throw off ? talkin pearl stuff of course.
whats the diff sound wise between a 10 lug brass snare, gladstone throw off and a 10 lug brass snare, parallel (jupiter) throw off ? talkin pearl stuff of course.
The snares continue off the ends of the snares reso head at both ends, making it that much more sensitive with knob adjustments at both ends with the parallel strainer.
Also want to thank Ludwig-dude for the challenge of this thread cause I learned yet another thing with the research and everyone's input. Cool1
No problem....I've got a lot to learn about Pearl, Tama, and Yamaha myself. Ludwig, WFL, Leedy, Gretsch, Rogers and Slingerland....those I know about. The imports, not so much. (Yes I left Camco out, and that's because I don't know enough about those as they are so rare. Don't see too many of those around these parts)
Hi guys,
I apologize in advance for the thread hijack....but I just HAD to share this. I am such a bonehead!!
I have had this snare for quite a while - part of a sharp Majestic Kit I actually scored for *NOTHING* after I sold off the stands and cymbals that came with it.
I was reading about these snares and it reminded me of mine and I decided it was time to clean up that sucker......
I was shocked (and a bit ashamed!) when I got it out to start and discovered it was a TEN lugger.....(for some reason it was an 8 lugger in my mind) - this one is steel....but let it be known that there are ALOT of these out there (but most are 8 luggers) as stencil snares badged in many names - but these are great snares.
What I was so ashamed of was that it has taken me so long to get this one soaking!! I should have paid closer attention - though I don't believe it has gotten any worse since I have had it....very low humidity in my apartment and it has been stored well.....
More pics once I have it done.
John
