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Gold Plating questions

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I took my Cadillac Green drum project parts to the plater today for assessment and price.

His shop is a highly regarded plating business in Vancouver B.C. Canada.

I don't know much about it and he explained the process - it sounds complicated but I won't get into that here.

I brought a sample lug from the original gold plated Cadillac Green tom. He brought samples of plating out to show me. His gold plated items looked more like chrome than gold. He said the way the process works is gold takes on the 'gold' colour after aging. This is 24K gold we're talking about. His samples did not look anything like the gold plating on my 50+ year old gretsch tom.

Questions:

Is this correct - that the gold plating on the new items will look more like chrome than gold until it matures?

Has anyone here had hardware plated gold and if so what does it look like when new?

Were the old (54-58) lugs used for the Cadi Green drums back in the day of a sturdier quality than the newer era lugs?

He showed me an invoice for a small vile of the mixture he uses - it costs him over $2000 for that small vile that he puts into a salts bath to activate the plating process. The gold plated items he showed me were very nice and kind of had that gold hue to them but they sure were NOTHING like the bright yellow gold plated lug I showed him. I also had some lugs I bought off eBay that were sold/advertised as Gretsch 50's and some 60's lugs and he said the metal quality in those were not of a quality/thickness of shell as the gold one I showed him.

There is no way in my life tome the new plating on this kit is ever going to match the old Cadi Green tom I have. I'm thinking at this point it may be better, and certainly a lot cheaper, to get new chrome lugs and hoops for the Cadi Green tom to match the chrome hardware on the rest of the drums and forget about gold plating them.

Posted on 12 years ago
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I think I read that Charlie Watts has his parts dipped 3-4 times in 24 K plating..

Maybe thats what you need to do to get it that intense looking..

Blair

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 12 years ago
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So is that what Gretsch did to make them that yellow back in the day? Dip them 4 times in gold?

As much as I loathe the financial side of this hobby, I would have to suggest to definitely get a feel for whether that drum will be worth the 2k in plating, plus the 600, give or take, you paid for it.(I believe, can't remember but remember when you got if off Ebay). It would be a purely financial decision for me personally, and I still wouldn't/couldn't justify 2k to plate lugs with Au. You being retired are in a bit of a different situation, admittedly.....LOL. If you want a great looking drum, and money isn't pressing, go for it! You only get to ride this carousel once, and the Hoffman's need people to be buying up gold to keep their show on the air!!!

Hope this vague and sappy response helps in some way.....LoLoLoLo

Toodles

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Posted on 12 years ago
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This is what Sonor uses to plate the Jet Set, see that bar on the bottom, that disolves into the solution. The hardware is weighed before and after to ensure all the gold is used.

Gold is an Element, not a mineral, the color differences depend on how much Copper is used to harden it, makeing 10, 14, 18, and 24 karats !!

The parts in the photo are new and not aged !!

Look further into it !!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Thanks guys.

That is the only plater close by that I know of.

It is already looking sketchy in relation to the finish shown me today and that example was $2000 maybe more.

I think I'll stick to chrome plated hardware and keep my eye open for sturdy 50's lugs for the snare and floor tom. I already have over $2K into the kit and that's without new heads. I can see this project getting up into $5 - $6K.

The kit looks pretty nice with just the chrome hardware.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Maybe you should supply the Gold used !!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Something seems off about this. DW's gold-plated drums, for instance, definitely have a distinct yellow tinge from the get-go.

There are lots of refiners in the Vancouver area, you may be able to pick up some ***elry at pawn shops, get the gold refined, then provide the resulting product at a much cheaper price.

Ego drum lugs (http://www.egodrumlugs.com) are in Oregon, maybe they can hip you to their plater? Definitely yellow-looking.

Good luck with whatever you decide, it's an awesome project.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Apparently pure gold - as in the gold my father-in-law has (won't say where he lives haha) - can't be used in the process. This is a flash-plating process which uses very little gold so I'm told. They have to mix this 'vile' of gold solution with a catalyst (I don't know the process) and it gets complicated.

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Sounds like black magic. I understand that you only have the one plater or whatever but perhaps a google search, some references as any gold plater should be able to provide, and possibly shipping it to someone who uses a more conventional process? Just another option to ponder.

Of course I also realize this thread is essentially a google search in itself.........

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Posted on 12 years ago
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I am totally losing it!

I have a LangPercussion snare drum with NEW bright yellow 24K gold plating.

I got so caught up in this Cadillac Green project I forgot all about that drum.

I should have taking the LP drum to the plater and asked if he could do the same on my kit.....if not...thankyou and bye.

I sent Arnie Lang an email a few minutes ago.

I need a holiday..............

Thanks for you feedback.

Posted on 12 years ago
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