yes. and I just received another Super Zyn that is metric. All the other Zyn cymbals; the Standard Quality, Zyn( Krut),2 star are dead on inch sizes but a lot of the Supers and 5 Stars are odd fractions of inches but dead on round metric sizes. This one, a hand hammered 420mm cymbal ( slightly under 16 9/16") has a very small Super Zyn stamp, 3/4 x 7/8". Although, I have seen some Super Zyns that resemble rotocast Italian cymbals, this one doesn't. It has an enormous bell 5 1/2" across and 7/8" deep. It does not resemble any Italian cymbal, I have ever seen but I can't understand why the makers of Zyn , would be making cymbals exactly in inch sizes for all lines except one ? It does seem that these cymbals were being made from foreign blanks mostly, whether milled or rotocast.

I think you may have stumbled across the truth here without fully realizing it.

The reason why the Super Zyns were metric is because they were made of cast B-20. That means the Italians themselves were doing sizing operation, and their measuring used the metric system. On the other hand, the standard series Zyns being made of nickel-silver alloy, likely were supplied using blanks purchased from a foreign supplier who was offering blanks in English system sizes.

I guess what I was hinting at was just that, Bill. The cast and hammered cymbals were merely finished in England. ...but and this is a big but. I have continued to acquire Super Zyns and 5 Stars and despite there being a couple that have an Italian quality( not Zanchi---they seem unique) ,most of the English cymbals seem brighter and more alive than the 50's through 70's, Italian cymbals( with the exception of a few Ajahas). The Premier cast cymbals are different-----you couldn't mistake them for an Italian cymbal. Here's a theory-----that the English cymbals were cast in Italy but from Bronze that was designed by and formulated specially for Premier. It would be easy to get any smelter to do up a proprietary alloy and ship the ingots for rough pouring,milling or rotocasting to whatever foundry could do the next step.

As far as the sheet cut cymbals. Yea , they may have brought in stamped rounds, or stamped them in their facility to order: I suppose whatever was the most cost effective. Spinning and machine hammering, obviously were done by Premier. Interesting thing is, the one Zyn Standard Quality cymbal I have ,has been hand hammered. It doesn't have those typical 7 to 13 rings of very typical pock marks that showup on all of the sheetspun Zyns, Kruts, Beverleys,Kamalas and Symaras.

I've seen those "mega bell" types amongst the early 50's era examples like this one:

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/cymbalexamples/websize/20%20SZ.jpg[/img]

This one is a 20".

I've also seen one of the small stamp variety Suoer Zyns too. This was a 18" small stamp I used to have:

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[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/cymbalexamples/websize/18%20SZ%20bk.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/cymbalexamples/PICT4166.JPG[/img]

That first 20" mega bell cymbal, pictured-------do you recall it's stamp?

I don't know because it came from an eBay auction where the trademark wasn't shown, but it was probably the more commonly seen larger one.

Recently snagged a 22" Zyn off of eBay for really cheap. I must say it's the greatest cymbal I have ever heard. So so so much character and mood to it. It's super thin (1995g) so it makes a better crash than a ride.. But this thing is angry. It's revolutionized the way I think about drumming. I now feel like I'm dealing with emotions and character traits at the end of my sticks rather than sounds and textures. I'd highly recommend Zyn, although I've only played the one so my opinion isn't super reliable. I popped four rivets into it and this thing sounds straight off of Elvin's kit. Tldr; if you can get one for cheap, risk it.

-Jim

in 2017 I bought three plates of super zyn - two 12 " hi-hat and one 18"

Great sound. I'm very happy with the cymbals.

I have a 22" ride cymbal of indeterminate origin that I believe is a Zyn or a Krut. There are no markings, a total mystery. It looks like it was burned in a fire or subjected to water damage, because the underside is terribly darkened or scorched. I tried removing the tarnish, but it was too much work. I got it years ago with a used drumset, but it was so long ago, I can't recall the circumstances. It sounds dark and trashy, but pretty mediocre. I think of it as a special use cymbal, but I have never had a "special use" for it. I'd love to sell it, but wouldn't know what to ask. I imagine a jazz drummer might like it, because it's so dark sounding.

If I post a photo, could someone help identify it?