[QUOTE=RogerSling;202399]Didn't defend. Won't defend. It ain't personal.

This is a drumming history site. The more we get out of the way of truth, the clearer the picture we have.

????????? maybe this explains something ???????

Yes. It does. It means that I am not defending business practices of a company. It means that for a time, I will not put my personal feelings in the way of the historical fact finding. It means that I care about historical accuracy and realized a LONG time ago that personal bias has no place in Scientific Truth or Historical Fact.

It may have something to do with maturity ... dunno. But I can say, this site is devoted to History. We might want to do it right ... for David and Tommy.

Honestly...I too am much less interested in a business model that may or may not have been followed or a personal rub against a product as much as I am in the history of MIJ drums in general. While I don't doubt calfskin's theory, and I am not nearly as eloquent as others on here, I am more interested in what happened, not why it "may have" happened.

Aside from that, I actually like early MIJ drums. They are much better than most of the cookie cutter crap you can find at Guitar Center and the like. One thing you gotta remember, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Rogersling,

Sorry, but you started to sound like their attorney, alright, how about ..Stick`n up for them !! :D

I could live with, reformed Star Drum Co. !!

I have working on this for a few years.Getting story's about the Star/Tama history.But it's hard to do and to fine out the history..Star made drums made alot of set's under many name's.I have been working trying to get copy's of the drum catalog's i do have some but these are so hard to fine.I do have some hard copy's of these catalog's and photo copy's.But to put them all in order by year ete will take more time..I have been checking old music store's back room's talking to older owner's and just about anyone who would know the history of these drums...Iam hoping to have some things out in a year or so.....Mikey

Gentlemen!

Thank you very much for the information and the history lessons. I learn something new each time I visit our site! I can also appreciate the divers opinions expressed and understand how each could be contrived. In the end though, people generally come through to help another accrue valuable insights.

Mikey, I hope your research goes well. I'd certainly be interested in reading what you've put together.

Again, thank you very much, everyone!

Respectfully,

Brian

Brian, Here is a site a friend sent me to read. www.touchharrison.hubpagers.com i know the site talks about vintage M.I.J. guitars but it also talks alittle about Hoshino/Tama/Star go down about 1/2 the way down the page they list the companys that made guitars and you will see drum name's of the 60's and 70's.....Mikey

Thanks for the site,Mikey. Whenever I try to get in though, this old computer tells me, "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage". There is then a list of possibilities why I can't view the site. Thanks anyway. That was kind of you.

Brian

Alittle info. The first name i will list is the manufacturer--next will by company name---next is the guitar/drum names....The dates are from the 60's-70's...Dyna Gakki--Greco--name-JooDee....Next Guyatone--Suzuki--Names Barcley,Hi-Lo,Howard,Ideal,Kingston,Marco Polo....Next Hoshino Gakki {Tama}- names Continental,Crest,Howard,Maxitone,Star---Next Kawai Teisco--Del Rey-Kawai- Teisco- names -Apollo,Black Jack,Concert,Crown,Decca,Duke,Hy-Lo,Kent,Kimberly---Next Matsumoku--Greco,Guyatone,Yamaha--Names Arai,Aria,Aria pro,Apollo,Barclay,Cortez,Conrad,Hi-Lo,Howard,Maxitone,Mayfair,Raven,Stewart,Tempo,Westbury,Westminster....I will have more soon......Mikey