OK - real quick -
for some of you, I am about to spill the beans and create competition when one of these comes to market! I already have my 16/18 crashes so I am all set - unless I decide on a ride....but not in a hurry and not in buying mode at all right now (to say the least!).
The CB700 cymbals were first made in the 60s in Italy by UFIP. They have ribs - rotocast I believe. Many of these will have the rectangular or square MADE IN ITALY ink stamp on the underbelly of the cymbal near the bell. Now, I HAVE seen some of these without the stamp (neither the ink one nor the punched one), but I can spot them from the features.....I understand they are B20 but they seem to have a look and sound of a B8. Now, to positively ID the Italian ones from the later, cheaper, pretty worthless Taiwanese (and maybe German) ones is that the Italian ones are undersized. They will be like 17and 7/8 inches. Like I said, I have a 16, 18 and indeed 2 pairs of HHs of these. They commonly have a brilliant finish (likely under their patina if you find one of these)....these Italians were made in the 60s. My 18 was my first one and it is beauitiful - sounds as good as any Paiste 18in crash....similar in sound. Bright, Loud - tthey can be "rided" as they are quite clear and dry until you crash it..... Also, I have heard these described as sounding like a mix between B8 and B20....right in the middle. Maybe that is accurate in composition as well?
See the attached stamp, and NOTE: I have a 16 of these I am willing to sell. and don't forget about the HHs. I have the 14s and 15s (which both are slightly undersized - and these hats have a brilliant finish - just gorgeous).
So.....if that is what is included in this deal - JUMP ON IT, as you will surely be happy with those cymbals!!!!
John