Can't help you with the date, but that's the first 22" ZILCO I've seen that doesn't have the AZCO Made In Canada stamp. How much does it weigh?

I've got a 13 & 3/16ths ZILCO with the same stamp as yours except it has MADE IN USA under CONSTANTANOPLE. From the looks of it's hammering pattern I'd say mine is pre-Ringo!

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The Zilco Azko cymbals weren't being made until around the 70's. That one is predates the New Brunswick foundry. Yours could be from the 1940's to anytime in the 50's. Most are pretty thin and were rejected for one reason or another, yet in many cases its not clear why. The Zilco Constantinople trademark was used going starting in the 1930's, and in several slightly differing versions over the years.

You can see most of them here:

http://www.cymbalholic.com/forums/showthread.php?24154-Those-quot-other-quot-trademarks-both-the-knowns-and-the-unkowns/page3&highlight=Those+other+trademarks

Is that the Trademarkers hammer dent ??

Nice cymbal, i bet it does sound great. I have an 18"(1405g) with the same type of hammering and stamp you are describing. It has a louder sound than my 18" trans-stamp and a little higher pitched. Both are nice cymbals but sometimes i just prefer the Zilco.

Post a sound file if you can, i'd love to hear it. So what other cymbals did you score?

Gary.

Had some computer problems but will see if I can get a sound file tonight.

Most of the other stuff was all late 50's to early 70's Zildjian A's but nothing to really write home about. Just about all of it is stuff that I have turned around or am still trying to turn around for $$$.

I do have a few gems in my collection though, in cluding a few that used to be my fathers' cymbals. The brass ring is a 21" 50's era thin ride that used to be my fathers that has 8 small rivets in it. I love pulling that out for jazz or acoustic gigs whenever I can.

It seems that the Azco Zilcos were a whole other thing than the earlier Zilco Constantinoples---- itn really was just a brand that was out there and had several incarnations. Even in the short Azco days , they went from being a fully hand hammered K-like effort from A. Zildjian to a spun bronze ,unhammered cymbal----seemingly not to compete with the K. Zildjians that were then being produced in the very same spot . The older ones , I think, were always a second line cymbal , whereas the Azco ones , briefly, were a first line cymbal at a second line price; later a second line cymbal at a second line price.