I believe this is 70s also. Again, that stamp looks an awful lot like a late 50s, but I don't see the hammering on the bottom like a 50s cymbal should have...but the fingerprints are playing tricks with my eyes too.

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Just to be sure that its not a large stamp, measure the height of the trademark and let us know what it is.

My opinion so far is that its late 1950's. I can see hammering on the underside, and I can also see very thin bands of unlathed surface underneath. The a late 1950's indicator.

Top to bottom it's around 1.5"

I confess that I didn't notice your name when I first replied to this thread, but if I had then I know there would have been no need to ask that, because certainly I know that you of all people around here would recognize a large stamp by sight.

But what you have here is a rarely seen form of the late 1950's trademark. The "classic type" that most of us are familiar with has heavier lines in the die, and looks bolder and more deeply imprinted. Before today I never mentioned a 2nd type which is what you have. The classic type is easy to identify, but this one with the thinner lines is easily mistaken for the early 70's type. So since these are practically identical in appearance, its important to consider the manufacturing characteristics along with the trademark when identifying cymbals of this type.

So it is late 1950's after all.

Cool! I thought it could be an older cymbal. Yeah I have not posted on here in a while.. wasn't trying to be sneaky! What about the hihats I posted? I found them in the same place as the crash. Strangely when I first looked at them all I was really salivating in terms of the manufacturing "look" they had, but then was a bit confused by the stamps, although now I think I recall owning some thin hats that have very similar stamps on them. These were just very clean. Maybe they were kept in a cymbal bag. Tops of the bells are slightly puckered.. not flat, lathing looks hand-guided if not hand-lathed.. There's some lathe chatter on the underside of the 18 in places.. the lathing looks wider spaced but there is some fine lathing there. The underside hammering is faint but looks like it was used for shaping it, maybe? The stamp is thin like a 70s but in places it is more distinctly impressed.

I may bring a couple more out for us to peruse, and as always, thanks Bill for any expertise you have on this stuff.

And that's a nice weight too. How does it sound?

I've got one about that same weight in a block stamp. It's the best 18" Avedis crash I've ever heard.

Played it and the other 15" hats mentioned at a jam yesterday, awesome! The 18" is a great cutting crash and a nice jazzy ride sound. The hats are smooth and everything kicked ass.