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Help with snare drum identification

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Hello, I hope someone can help me identify the model of my snare. It looks like the Ludwig Black Beauty but it only has 6 lugs. The badge is missing but it says "Ludwig & Ludwig Chicago" on the rim. It is black with a copper looking rim and hardware. The part that makes the snare sound is broken and they appear to be cat gut or something. It has the same scroll pattern as the Black beauty but it does not read "Ludwig" in the scroll work.

Did they make the Black Beauty in a six lug?

Thanks,

Steve S.

Shawnee Oklahoma Help2

Posted on 12 years ago
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Welcome to the forum! Please post some pics of your drum!

Posted on 12 years ago
#2
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Here are some pics. I just remeasured the width and is 5" from head to head and about 14" wide. It almost seems a very dark gray and not black.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Yup, it's a black beauty. By the stamp on the hoop, an early one probably made in the late teens.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Ludwig did not have a black beauty in the teens, this is probably a 1923 model here give this scan a look. http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/ludwig_snare_drum_catalog_pages.html and http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/other_stuff/bill_ludwigiii/ludwig_1923_3.jpg

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 12 years ago
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mark

the 23 models dont usually have the logo on the hoop though,right? of course it could have been changed i guess.

mike

Posted on 12 years ago
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Mike, good detective work your correct it's a later model than 1923 then. Also this is a 6 lug model?? I never seen a 6 lug pioneer like this one?

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 12 years ago
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Its 6 lug because L&L had not switched to 8 lug yet...L&L didn't use the term Black Beauty until the 1930s, they used the term DeLuxe Model, the DeLuxe option is the Artgold hardware which is copper plated and gold lacquered to simulate real gold...the drum on the left is 4x14 6 lug, the one on the right is a 4x15 6 lug with gold plated hardware. I also have a 4x14 6 lugger with single flanged rims but no Ludwig Chicago engraving..."Long weekend/Monday morning" at the office maybe?

Mike Curotto

Posted on 12 years ago
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Ludwig had engraved snare drums in the late teens, I own one. Got it when the widow of the player brought it into Drum Headquarters. They contacted me. Her late husband got it in 1918, and she had pictures with him and the drum from then.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From BEC

Ludwig had engraved snare drums in the late teens, I own one. Got it when the widow of the player brought it into Drum Headquarters. They contacted me. Her late husband got it in 1918, and she had pictures with him and the drum from then.

I'd love to see photos...

Mike Curotto

Posted on 12 years ago
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