Trixon , Premier( most all of the 60's British drums had the same settup), Slingerland all had mufflers like that. In fact the one Russian snaredrum that I have has the same style muffler and nickel plated Ludwig style hoops as well. I'm going to go and look at that.

This type of muffler was common for Premier drums

ups,Calfskin already sad that,sorry

Well, while the Russian snaredrum does have some similar features, only a few are exactly the same. The hoops are closer to Ludwig hoops , with flat topped ears , although there is some droop and the t-rod washer does sit an angle. The muffler is very similar until you get to the shape of the pad, which is rhomboid. The lugs and rods are completely different, the throw and butt ,completely different shape( they are all cast) , as is the shell. -----but perhaps ,George could help here. Was there not a couple of Russian factories----mine is , I think, Epoimi but there is no badge.

I can`t remember seeing one here and we got alot of muffler knob shots !! I just don`t remember seeing a center functioning hole through a knob before !!

The muffler looks too new, compared to the rest of the hardware, to be original. It may have had something similar when new but, I think this is a replacement part.

I would agree with that.------regarding the hex rods. Does anyone have any experience with very old Amati? They at one time used hex heads, as well.

You guys are great!

I can understand the thinking about the damper being newer than the rest of the drum - unless it solely looks newer, because at has been sitting sheltered inside the drum?

Please remark, that the knob is something I have added - but the original would have worked the same way, as on Premiers, John Greys and a host of other brands.

But again - there is no signs whatsoever, that someone has been fettling the drum so much as to fit a damper. I don´t think it is a retrofit - and either way, it won´t help much in identifying the maker.

I agree to the wood being Poplar.

I also agree to the problem of identifying european drums by the coating - all the continental companies tended to get their supplies from the same source...

The lugs are heavy, by the way.

I don´t understand the discussion of the rods - "white steel" - what is that?

The rods are with good precision threads, made by some hard steel, and plated the same way as the hoops, I think. Quality items compared to cheap Taiwanese rods - and original on the drum, I am quite convinced.

The dutch suggestions, I will look further into, and Amati. Good suggestions, I think.

I had an Amati once, with Hex headed rods - but M6 thread, not M5.

http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-4762_4A3FA90A.jpg

Recoated by me, as a rehearsal before I made my Premier kit.

http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-CF4B_4A3FA86F.jpg

Bearing edges by - me....:

http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-ED7E_4A3FA86F.jpg

Made quite differently, but also a lot newer.

http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-CFF5_4A3FA767.jpg

Also quite a quality item - I liked the lock-nuts on the rods....

Regards

Jon

The assembled drum:

http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-7879_4F7EFE06.jpg

Fritz Steger has written me - he is quite certain it is Eastern European and not older than late Sixties - early Seventies. But he cannot attach a Brand or a factory to it.

Regards

Jon

And it's not a surprising...

I respect Fritz Steger very much - he is a very pleasant man and one of the greatest expert on the drums, but by no means as "single star in the sky".

Although I'm not an expert, as before I'm still fully sure that it's NOT Eastern snaredrum. Not one typical detail or part.

George.

Well, there you go - Fritz wrote back and added, that he would check an old Meazzi he had lying around, as he had an idea they shared some details.

But until someone comes around with a positive ID, the verdict must still be open?

Regards

Jon