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What is this snare?

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From OddBall

Jon, is it possible to get a pic that shows the entire inside of the drum? Can you show us the inside of the lug casing witout the spring ? The beveled off top of the casing rules out the Sonor imperial style lug, but there were a few Sonor copiers out there after the move. Sonor made a throw like that and also used the two hole bottom hoop. The hoop is puzzleing !!

Been thinking about this drum,i have dome some more checking now i think is could be a 1940's- 50's Sonor made drum.I seem to recall seeing lugs like that but can't recall what year.The strainer could also be made by Sonor.One thing you said is that the strainer has a piece of wood or should i say a wood backing plate inside the shell.Sonor did this on their 50's-60's drums.Sonor also used the wood backing plate at the spurs and cymbal mount on the drum drums.I have also seem it on the mounted tom mounts..Mikey

Posted on 12 years ago
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From MIKEY777

i think is could be a 1940's- 50's Sonor made drum.

Sonor --- M5 thread with hex? Khm-mm..., doubt...

I remember that some guys have changed an original italian hex M5 to DW square head rods.

Maybe it's old 'Morutto' snare? --- hex rods also.

Well, damn... mystery is still continue...

George.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Again, thanks for your interest, everybody!

I couldnĀ“t make one photo covering the whole inside...so here are four:

http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-803E_4F7D75C7.jpg

http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-C46F_4F7D75C7.jpg

http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-2357_4F7D75C7.jpg

http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-2612_4F7D75C7.jpg

Lug inside:

http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-8401_4F7D75C7.jpg

http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-B5F5_4F7D75C7.jpg

The hoops are pressed, only difference from "normal" are the 10 holes and the nickel. I think the reason for the washers sitting a little askew is just somewhat sloppy engineering.

As for suggestions to the drum being a mix of japanese and european parts - I am quite sure from the look of it, that the drum is an entity. No extra holes or even marks, screws in perfect order, same amount of dulling to all the metal parts.

But no-one around has its sister or brother, complete with a nice little name-plate or logo?

Thanks again!

Regards

Jon

Posted on 12 years ago
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Cool drum/finish...by WHOEVER made it!...Or,would that be "Whomever"?

Please polish up the nickel,and shoot us some pics after doing so..

thanks!

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 12 years ago
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Shell looks to be Poplar to me and in a similar style as a Tromsa shell but it isn't exact. Tromsa shells were unvarying in their consistent production style. This has the same style and I think ingredients but the dimensions are different-----however the raw materials could have been sourced from the same supplier. The ply really does look like the same rough stuff used by Tromsa.

The wrap seems similar to one that I have on a Sonor floor tom from the late 60's. ----a kind of Butterscotch swirl but then all German companies and companies from most other European countries sourced their wrap from the same factory(s)-----let's say as is the case today----there were limited choices.

I would bet that the lug mounting screws are metric.

Georges suggestion of , Morutto has some merit. They had cast aluminum lugs and hex t-rods. Pre -Meazzi Italian drums from the early post war era.

The funny thing is , I think I have seen those lugs somewhere before and the connection vaguely goes to Holland------Royal or Triumph? Tromsa also produced drums for Concorde and King's-----perhaps an early version of one of those?

Or possibly some long lost small company that never got their feet off of the ground.

I have come across 2 (I own one) marching snares, in the past 2 years badged Wiley. I have never otherwise heard of them but the badge on mine is cast, so it wasn't likely a kitchen table operation. The funny thing about them is, that the lugs look like Premier lugs, the shell looks British but the hoops look German and the mufflers and strainers on both are Tromsa(one normal and the other parallel) and they were both sold on German ebay. There are a lot of mystery drums out there-----perhaps this one too is a hybrid, made up of parts from several willing suppliers?

Posted on 12 years ago
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From calfskin

Shell looks to be Poplar to me

Big Yes, Phil !!

In that case I have one more suggestion---and again closer and closer to Italy :) - "Alloy Drums" (Rome).

What the hot thread! - My head will explode soon...

George.

Posted on 12 years ago
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This is very puzzleing, the wrap was used by Sonor but the construction of the shell looks like Tromsa, or another Europian maker, The lugs are total mystery for me, but the thing I find really puzzleing is that muffler,..the way it`s hooked to and early 70`s or late 60`s type from Germany and the knob has a hole that pulls the rod into and through the knob. Never seen that type before !!. The Sonor mufflers are very similar but the rod spins and a nut pulls the flat spring up !!

Anyone ever see this type of action on a muffler ??

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 12 years ago
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Negitive on the poor engineering of the hoops, very unlikely, and like calf suggested, mom and pop drum makers seldom or never have a foundry !! They are made for a specific splay. The white steel lug screws are also a puzzle, those are hardened !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 12 years ago
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See the way the tool marks just make a little nip !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 12 years ago
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The T-rods are far to scratched to be white steel !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 12 years ago
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