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Amati Snare find

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Thanks, guys, for all the kind and informative comments! They´re highly appreciated!

@ Dule, Father, Gilnar, Calfskin: Thanks a lot for the detailed information! As a start, I think I´ll leave it the way it is as pictured.

So you guys think it has a thicker shell, I´m so curious what to see when it´s in my hands.

@ fishwaltz: I actually don´t know how it sounds, ´cause I haven´t received it yet. But, as I promised, I´ll post more pics and info once it arrived!

Cheers, Jurgen

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Hello!

It´s been a while now - meanwhile this beauty arrived at my home but had to sit in the box for two weeks - I was just too busy with work.

Unfortunately I didn´t have the time yet for some deeper analysis after unpacking her, I just can state that she has the thicker shell and seems to be OK so far. (Even with the original internal damper, it appears to me!)

Hopefully I can clean her all up and check her out next weekend, and also take some pics from different angles and also of the interior.

So, there´s more to come, stay tuned!

Thanks!

Greets, Lissy

Jazz is not dead - it just smells funny! FZ
Posted on 12 years ago
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Congrat's Lissy!

Can't wait for pix.

fishwaltz
Posted on 12 years ago
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...hello!

Now, at last – Jumping2 from the past weekend!

Sorry for the poor quality of the photos, I just had my mobile phone to take them.

Once unpacked and surveyed, the wrap shows the “normal issues” or “wear” you would expect from an instrument of this age. Some scratches and dark spots but after cleaning up you can´t locate them from a few steps distance.

I was very surprised, not only by the quality of the wrap (no lifting,bubbling, cracking,…) but also by the distance both ends of the wrap have to each other! Did some kind of "shrinking" take place here? (See pics 2 & 3.)

The lugs are really heavy duty and the chrome plated surface started to shine after short treatment with a cloth.

In fact the overall condition is way better than the five pics (in uncleaned condition!) show.

And the quality of the craftsmanship and materials in this instrument is just amazing! The inner ply of the shell still has it´s natural finish, the only “not-original section” of the shell is: the “snare-bed”. Seems as if someone tried to “make” one by using a half-round file – but it seems as if he/she was not very used to the mechanical handling of tools.Hmmmm I don´t believe this was factory-made.

More pics of cleaned snare in the next post!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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OK, here after cleaning!

Some more pics of the interior, that also show parts of the hardware: Throw and damper. Also you can see the bearing-edges, which are well made.

These pics were taken after a clean-up with soft cleaning foam and a cloth and reassembling the instrument using some batters and snares I had in stock – unfortunately no new stuff.

The sound is amazing – totally different from other wood-snares I own (Yamaha, Tama, Raf) and hard to describe.

The response of the snares is – due to the “self-made snarebed” and the incomplete butt-side of the throw-off system (tension-bolt and nut missing) – quite not satisfying, but I´m working on this.

So I am very happy with this beauty, she cleaned up very nice, sounds great and is in a very good condition for it´s age!Walking

Greets Lissy

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Beautifull, little drum, except for the hoops. At one time , Amati had the lovely furled , incurved hoops. I guess, like so-many other companies, they eventually contracted Ludwigitis and went to the flared out bicycle rims, or are those replacement hoops?

I find that , with Premier,Trixon,Ajax,Sonor,Amati,Rimmel,John Grey and the others that contracted the disease, the overall lasting effect was a kind of hardening of the lines of the drum and a loss of overall elegance of design.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Well, Jurgen, the shell and lugs is in very good condition and nice looking.

Yes, Phil is right -- hoops is not original Amati, as dule pointed higher. All the life Amati had a S-hoops with over-rolled top edge (but open tension flanges), even include bankrupt era ---- simple cheap open-flanged hoops never were in use.

Drive side of throwoff with knob had in original very simple funny leveral knob - some of kind as Dule showed, with hole for cord (oh, bad photo...)--- but it have worked not so bad. :)

So, that's still - I see that bolts are modern --- that's better, cuz in origin Amati bolts were have a very strange specific head's config (a cylinder shape with cut-cheeked) - you'll could crash your mind to make a drumkey DIY or find an original... Mind Blowi

Cheers,

George.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Thanks for all your replies, folks!

So much input on this, great! I really appreciate it!Bowing

Yes, the hoops are not original as well as the lug bolts and the throw.

The throw works fine so far, I think I will keep it like this. For the missing parts of the butt side I already have a solution that comes close to the original.

But finding original hoops, I believe, might be as possible as to win the lotterie?

One issue the replacement-hoops do have (in addition to the fact that they destroy the design), is: due to the staggered position of the lugs the rectangle holes in the bottom rim (where the strings that hold the snares go through) do not have the right position. I already thought about to get some slingerland sticksaver-hoops to get back the optic, but they would have the same problem with the position of the holes on the bottom rim...

So, if anybody out there has some original hoops for this little beauty - or knows where I can get some - please let me know!

Jazz is not dead - it just smells funny! FZ
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Lissy

But finding original hoops, I believe, might be as possible as to win the lotterie?So, if anybody out there has some original hoops for this little beauty - or knows where I can get some - please let me know!

Hi Jurgen,

I suppose that not a bad way will be to request a "vintageaudioberlin.de", but it seems to me that more suitable to search on chech and ukranian drumforums - there are often a lot of Amati parts - you may use online google-translator and easy to register there.

No doubts in your success.

Grüss,

George.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From Lissy

Thanks for all your replies, folks!So much input on this, great! I really appreciate it!BowingYes, the hoops are not original as well as the lug bolts and the throw.The throw works fine so far, I think I will keep it like this. For the missing parts of the butt side I already have a solution that comes close to the original.But finding original hoops, I believe, might be as possible as to win the lotterie?One issue the replacement-hoops do have (in addition to the fact that they destroy the design), is: due to the staggered position of the lugs the rectangle holes in the bottom rim (where the strings that hold the snares go through) do not have the right position. I already thought about to get some slingerland sticksaver-hoops to get back the optic, but they would have the same problem with the position of the holes on the bottom rim...So, if anybody out there has some original hoops for this little beauty - or knows where I can get some - please let me know!

Since you are using snare cord instead of snare strap-----a solution might be to use the system employed by Sonor and Tromsa. You could find a Sticksaver top hoop and drill two holes on either side in the correct position for the snare cord. There would be only minimal bare steel(or brass) at the point where the drill went through. Perhaps, Amati used that system at one time as well?

Posted on 12 years ago
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