Here's a trans-stamp i'm interested in knowing if it is an early or later type?
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/26trans-stamp.jpg[/IMG]
Any help would be appreciated. My eyes aren't trained to see the little details and correctly identify them. I have been told it is probably later 40's but not too sure.
Thanks, Gary.
It's not clear just where this one fits into the order, but what I can tell you is that it's an early 1950's cymbal and definitely not the later 1940's type. Even so, this is the least commonly seen type of the 4.
It's not clear just where this one fits into the order, but what I can tell you is that it's an early 1950's cymbal and definitely not the later 1940's type. Even so, this is the least commonly seen type of the 4.
Interesting. I'm not knowledgeable about the subtleties of the various trans types. Here two shots of is one of mine. a 12" paper thin splash which sounds wonderful but I and my son and I rarely use it for fear of cracking it. While it may not be valuable, its kind of a keepsake from a long gone era and we've never seen another one like it so we don't want to risk it. The top of the bell is somewhat flattened and slightly angled. Where would you date it?
Thanks Drumaholic for that info. That's interesting to know, this stamp is from another 26" i've aquired. You can see the cymbal in this pic of my bop kit. Cymbal has a flater profile than my other 26" i just sold. About 4400g and quite wobbly.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/102_2881.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/102_2880.jpg[/IMG]
Thanks again for your time, Gary.
Wow, that looks nice, and I'll bet it sounds great too. Good weight for a 26".
I just reviewed my research on these. The one you have is either a type II or a III, but I'm still not sure how they are ordered. But I am positive as to which ones are the true type I and IV.
Interesting. I'm not knowledgeable about the subtleties of the various trans types. Here two shots of is one of mine. a 12" paper thin splash which sounds wonderful but I and my son and I rarely use it for fear of cracking it. While it may not be valuable, its kind of a keepsake from a long gone era and we've never seen another one like it so we don't want to risk it. The top of the bell is somewhat flattened and slightly angled. Where would you date it?
Yours are both the same and are from the circa '51 to '53 period. The bells were hammered in by hand so they show some variation from one cymbal to another. I never saw one angled, but it makes sense that some should turn out to be like yours, and it fits with the narritive. Generally they look perfectly formed. These trans stamps are wonderful cymbals in most cases. The best ones are sublime.
Yours are both the same and are from the circa '51 to '53 period. The bells were hammered in by hand so they show some variation from one cymbal to another. I never saw one angled, but it makes sense that some should turn out to be like yours, and it fits with the narritive. Generally they look perfectly formed. These trans stamps are wonderful cymbals in most cases. The best ones are sublime.
Attached are a couple of shots of the bell. The top photo is a bit blurry. In the shot from the bottom you can see a light line going around the bell around half way up. There is a bit of an edge at that point that can be felt from the top, past which the top of the bell is slightly flattened. From about 9 o'clock to around 5 o'clock there is a shadow around the hole. That's the area that lower than the opposite side of the bell. On the photo from the top, although blurry, the shadow from around 4 o'clock to 8 o'clock defines the area of the bell that is lower than the other side. There is also a raised edge around the hole, which I think is visible from the top. I haven't seen any other cymbals this small from that period. What's your experience?
Here's a few more shots:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/IMAG0289.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/IMAG0291.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/IMAG0288.jpg[/IMG]
Thanks again for the dating, if you're ever in the Akron, OH area come over and check out the sound!!! I promise i'll move it out of my 16 year old's bedroom, hahaha
Gary.
Attached are a couple of shots of the bell. The top photo is a bit blurry. In the shot from the bottom you can see a light line going around the bell around half way up. There is a bit of an edge at that point that can be felt from the top, past which the top of the bell is slightly flattened. From about 9 o'clock to around 5 o'clock there is a shadow around the hole. That's the area that lower than the opposite side of the bell. On the photo from the top, although blurry, the shadow from around 4 o'clock to 8 o'clock defines the area of the bell that is lower than the other side. There is also a raised edge around the hole, which I think is visible from the top. I haven't seen any other cymbals this small from that period. What's your experience?
I have seen some with that line demarcation where the slope of the bell changes in such a way as to show this "line". I can't recall exactly which cymbals I saw like this. But even the old stamp K's have something like this in many cases, but that ridge shows up closer to the base of the bell and not on the top like this one has. The Agop 30th's also have this probabaly do to the similarity in bell forming technique.
Here's a few more shots:[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/IMAG0289.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/IMAG0291.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/sonorjedi/IMAG0288.jpg[/IMG]Thanks again for the dating, if you're ever in the Akron, OH area come over and check out the sound!!! I promise i'll move it out of my 16 year old's bedroom, hahahaGary.
Man that is a beautiful thing to behold from either side, but reverse side shots are my favorites. Based on what I see here if I had to order the middle two trans stamp types based on manufacturing characteristcs alone, I would opt to call yours the type II, which was I had already suspected but never had much good evidence to back up.
As seen from the backside view, if you'll notice that region that lacks hammering as an indicator. After seeing thjis on enough old A's, I named this band: the "zone of avoidance". It occurs in most old A's from the type I trans stamp era and all the way back to the 1930's. This is commonly seen in type I trans stamps, and seeing as how manufacturing characteristcs don't abruptly change from era to the next, earlier characteristics tend to "bleed over from one era to the next with earlier type traits often seen in earlier examples of the next era. Seeing this type I trans stamp characteristics in your cymbal is a good example of this.
I'm If I ever head towards Akron sometime, I'll let you know. I'd love to check it out in person. How did you come by this one?
