These wont be changed in any way.

As a side note....

Over the past 25 years, tremendous improvements have been made in mounting systems. For its time the Rogers Memrilock was the very best available. Things just dont move. I like that. RIMS came into style, we were fed the coolaid of the gods by all the marketing hypes from all the drum companies, both big and small, about resonance, better mounting systems, isolation gaskets, single screw low mass lugs, carbon shells, and in general...... just a huge crock of bull. So here we are closing on the end of the first decade of the 21st century, and we are now being sold heads with various built in muffling, muffle rings, 2nd layer bearing edge rings like in the PS3 and PS4, two ply heads with reverse dots, two ply heads with Edge control and reverse dot. ....like the EC2 Reverse Dot head by Evans. And then theres the Powersonic bass head, the EMAD "Make my drum sound like a 70s Eagles album" drumhead, double thick two ply with muffle rings and foam, you name it, and if it can be glued on, pressed in, or crimped with the actual head itself, its being done. And all that just to kill the very resonance drummers are so wildly chasing by purchasing True Note technology, air seal technology, DWs latest and greatest coolaid about shell construction, Tamas "hyperdrive" shells, mini lugs, low mass lugs, carbon lugs........ or by retrofitting vintage drums with RIMs, ISS mounts, and various other methods.

By the way, these drums do sing. Single ply coated on top, clear single ply on bottom. Great sound.

I apologize to Blue-Rippler. But I have to agree with The Ploughman...a whole lotta marketing hype!Toilet

Jack

:)

Bravo, Ploughman.

"Now, better Tasting" comes to mind...

:rolleyes:

First of all, I recognize the marketing hype and B.S. involved with resonance systems, heads, low mass lugs, etc....

The reason I put the ISS mounts on are because MY drums the (10, 12, and 13) were choked. I REALLY wanted to not use a RIMS type of system and keep everything stock, but they were really dead sounding, plain and simple, no matter the tuning. I know many people that complain about the same things with the memriloc mounts. When I put the ISS mounts on, the toms really opened up and they absolutely sing. I wasn't looking for a more "ringy" or "dead" sound either way. The toms sound great now and I'd put them up against any new Yamaha or DW kit out there. I just did a recording session with them and they sounded incredible.

We're all getting at the same point here. We love our XP8's. We just arrive at what we think is a great sound in different ways.

LOL! As long as it doesn't permanently alter the drums, then I see no harm in someone trying out some different ways to change the sound. It's like a guitarist who has an acoustic archtop guitar and wants to put a pick-up on it. There are pick-ups that can be utilized that will not alter the guitar.

Maybe some people don't believe there is an appreciable difference n the sound of drums that have _______mounting system when compared to a ________mounting system (fill in the blanks for yourselves), but there are different feels to different mounting systems. I play both Memriloc and Ludwig L-arm drums. I prefer the bounce of the Ludwigs, but I also can forgive a little stiffness in the Memriloc system in favor of it's undeniable practicality for gigging drummers -people who make their living doing lots of one-nighters. It's lightweight, strong and dependable. I much prefer setting up and tearing down the Memriloc stuff, but the feel (for me) will always be leaning towards Ludwig...or to the Swiv-O-Matic Rogers -because they, too, "bounce" when played. It makes the feel more comfortable, for me. It's like a shock absorber!Excited

I think we can all agree that those XP-8 drums you got were a great deal.

By the way, did the XP-8 18" bass drum originally come with plain maple hoops or are those replacements?

Those hoops are original.

You are absolutely right about different feels in different mounts. A floor tom on legs feels different than a cradle which is different than a RIMS..... I use DW 9000 series Tom Cymbal stand for my Ayotte Custom ..... which originally had the DW black block mounts and RIMS and it bounced to hell and back. I changed it to the Ayotte suspension mount, and its fairly solid. But it does give. I just didnt care for the RIMs mounts themselves. And I really did not like the cradle thing. As the rubbers wore, it was beginning to mess with things on the drums.

May I say just say something about the Evans EMAD. First, it's a available as a

single ply head , the EMAD2 is the two ply. I use the single ply. The nice thing about the EMAD is that it is very wide open without using muffle rings and there are 2 thickness of muffle rings which you can use if you want to. This construction makes this head an extremely versatile head, and this is its strength. I personally think it is a great design and and incredible improvement over previous head designs. I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents. Thanks.