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Rolling Yer Own Hi Hat Pairs

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From calfskin

I did some cold cutting and hammering on 602's a while ago----something I have done with other cymbals too. The 602's seem to be very hard and poorly tempered and have a very coarse crystal structure , which is a bad combination for durability but obviously good for brilliance.. They seem to be more crack prone than the other cymbals, I goofed with. They would even develop lateral cracks along the cut line.Crystals were about twice the size of Zildjian As for instance.

That would explain a lot. As much as I know about composite materials and their relationships when co-moulding or bonding with certain metals, my metallurgical knowledge is very slight, especially with the musical metals.

Yeah- every cracked Paiste I encountered had the first name of 6 and last name of 02.

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
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I too mix hihat cymbals - a 602 Sound Edge bottom mated to a very light Zanki Thin crash or a nearly as light 70´s Zildjian A.

Mostly because the tops of the 602´s were cracked and I therefore could buy the bottoms cheaply.....I don´t crack cymbals!

But the tops suits them really nice - and the Sound Edge is a very sweet bottom.

Jon

Posted on 12 years ago
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From Jon Petersen

I too mix hihat cymbals - a 602 Sound Edge bottom mated to a very light Zanki Thin crash or a nearly as light 70´s Zildjian A.Mostly because the tops of the 602´s were cracked and I therefore could buy the bottoms cheaply.....I don´t crack cymbals!But the tops suits them really nice - and the Sound Edge is a very sweet bottom.Jon

I love the sound a Sound Edge gives.

602 are magical cymbals, for sure!!!

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
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I've been playing a 15" 60's A Zildjian bottom and an 80's A Zildjian thin crash top for about 3 years now. My main hats!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From jbones1

I've been playing a 15" 60's A Zildjian bottom and an 80's A Zildjian thin crash top for about 3 years now. My main hats!

Just proves that the factory doesn't always knows what best goes together for a pair of hats!!!

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
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I often use my 14" 70's Zildjian New beat top hat as a bottom hat with a real thin super Zyn as the top hat.

They sound like they're straight off an old blue note record.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From blonkins

I often use my 14" 70's Zildjian New beat top hat as a bottom hat with a real thin super Zyn as the top hat. They sound like they're straight off an old blue note record.

Who knows? Maybe that's where that sound came from...

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
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From calfskin

I did some cold cutting and hammering on 602's a while ago----something I have done with other cymbals too. The 602's seem to be very hard and poorly tempered and have a very coarse crystal structure , which is a bad combination for durability but obviously good for brilliance.. They seem to be more crack prone than the other cymbals, I goofed with. They would even develop lateral cracks along the cut line.Crystals were about twice the size of Zildjian As for instance.

I'd like to pick your brain sometimes on the results of your hammering experiments calfskin _ I've read a bunch of the cymbalholic threads from Mike Skiba {may he rest in peace} and Johan {I thinks was the name} in terms of the radial hammering involved.

Back to Topic.

I've of late been constantly experimenting with Hi-Hat combinations.

The current line up is a medium thin Z Custom Mastersound Top paired with a New Beat bottom _ but really other than using a sound edge bottom _ I find that whatever bottom cymbal used plays an obvious and very subordinate role.

Discovered this using a really inferior bottom at my bass players rehearsal space when using his drums _ I'd bring a ride, 2 crashes, and put the 14" Master Sound top above a broken 13" Camber _ and it actually impoved the 'chick' sound.

I'm outfitting a rig to mount very low and right on top of my bass drum_ a pair of really old 7" _ "copper toy cymbals" _ as an auxillary closed hat _ they're a little clangy with shoulder strikes _ but the 'stick' on them just KILLS _ and sounds like a pair of very heavy hats.

Quite useful in certain situations _ when I want both _ a closed hat ride sound_ while driving a left foot chick pattern.

Ohm

Posted on 12 years ago
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I paired medium-heavy top with light top as a bottom and considering both the cymbals were cheap and bad sounding, the result was suprisingly good. It still had this annoying cheap ring, but nice sizzle and chick.

Sysl krysu nenahradi!

-196?-72 6ply White Oyster Amati
-1960s 3ply Red Sparkle Amati
- Zildjian, Paiste, Zyn, Istanbul

http://bandzone.cz/blueswan
Posted on 12 years ago
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Oh and I once tried using two 20" rides as hi-hats.

KILLING stuff.

Sysl krysu nenahradi!

-196?-72 6ply White Oyster Amati
-1960s 3ply Red Sparkle Amati
- Zildjian, Paiste, Zyn, Istanbul

http://bandzone.cz/blueswan
Posted on 12 years ago
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