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What's up with these Avedis hi-hats?

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I found a pair of old Avedis hi-hats and have a few questions about them.

First the details...they are 14" old none-ink stamp cymbals. The stamped metal has the "3 dot" logo on it. The top cymbal (pics #1 & #2) weighs 781 grams and the bottom (pics #3 & #4) weighs 1163 grams.

I noticed a difference in the stamps. On the top hi-hat stamp the "Zildjian Co" lettering height is about 1/8". On the bottom hi-hat the "Zildjian Co" letter height is more like 3/16" and appears to be a slightly bolder type font. I do not know if the pictures do a good job of showing these details but that is what I observed.

So, what do I have here? What era are these from? Are these a mis-matched/thrown together set? I guess maybe the slight stamp difference as well as the gap in weight is intriguing me.

Thanks for the help!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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They're from 2 different eras, but I can't tell exactly which ones for sure.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Drumaholic,

Thanks for the critique. When you say "sometime later" do you mean later in the same era or like a decade or two later?

Posted on 12 years ago
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Maybe someone tried to make a kind of NewBeat pair. They have a larger than normal top bottom differential. I've played quite a few pairs like this over the years and some of them have been terrific.

I've never really understood the term "factory matched pair"----aside from the fact that this confers some sort of cachet to the cymbals that usually means that they are worth more. Just who in the factory paired them and using what criteria? Were they paired because they were exactly the same diameter, because one was exactly 40 gm. lighter than the other, one was exactly an f and the other a g or was it because they had the same lathing or were they made contiguously? Is there a guarantee, that some cymbal matcher in the factory is musically inclined enough to know how to match them for whatever uses an individual professional drummer might require?

Posted on 12 years ago
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From superclassic

Drumaholic,Thanks for the critique. When you say "sometime later" do you mean later in the same era or like a decade or two later?

The one in the left appears to be mid to late 60's, and the one on the right is from sometime later.

Maybe later 1970's or early 1980's if it has the 3 dot trademark.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From calfskin

Is there a guarantee, that some cymbal matcher in the factory is musically inclined enough to know how to match them for whatever uses an individual professional drummer might require?

It used to be Robert who did that, and he seemed to to a very nice job.

But I think most of us here could probably do as well. I've seen mixed pairs matched by drummers who custom matched 2 of their own, and they sounded geat.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Mine are all mixed and they all sound awesome. (in my opinion)

Posted on 12 years ago
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i agree mid to late 60's and early to mid 70's

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
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