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Need help with measuring cymbal weight in grams

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Please, forum cymbal experts, educate me on how cymbals are marketed and sold using their weights in metric grams as a description. It's just so confusing for a novice such as myself, because somehow it seems that most everyone trying to sell me a cymbal is advising me that it is the number of grams measured in weight determining the best sounds and the best quality. So many times I've purchased from an in-store drum salesperson telling me that so and so brand of cymbal is a 'must have' because the grams are so much more than some other cymbal brand of the same style, etc., only to get home and play the cymbal or cymbals on my drumset and be badly disappointed. Whether or not new crash cymbals I have purchased weighed more or less in grams when "sold" to me over the phone from large retail stores somehow has never seemed to 'pay off' once I set them up and started playing them. All I know is that I bought a used set of drums with old cymbals which had ink stamps on most of them saying stuff like 'Med Ride' "Crash Ride", etc., and they played and sounded fine without my every giving a care about their weight in grams, pounds, or ounces. Then, I was advised to trade those cymbals in for new expensive top line brand cymbals because of the 'grams' in weight. Now my original cymbals are gone and I have yet to spend money on new shiny ones measured in grams which have measured up to the old ones! What gives with grams? I don't seem to get it.

DOH

Posted on 12 years ago
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I use a food scale that measures in grams.

The importance of weight gives a true sense of what the cymbal's gonna do sound wise. Grams just work better than ounces 'cos face it- cymbals are not large enough to express in pounds or even ounces.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Weight is only one of many factors that make a cymbal sound the way it does. I think people overestimate what it really means, especially when they can't play the cymbal themselves. Here's a pretty good overview of what characteristics influence a cymbal's sound.

There are great cymbals heavy and thin alike, and just because two cymbals share the same weight doesn't mean they'll sound the same, or sound good. If it were that easy, there'd be a lot more cymbalsmiths in the world (or maybe less?), and everyone would play circle-punched sheet metal!

Ignore any dogmatic adherence to this weight or that, this brand or that, and let your ears choose.

Posted on 12 years ago
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The oz. is plenty specific enough for the wt of a cymbal.

For the OP - The difference lies in the units of measure. Grams are metric (SI) units and ounces are standard. Though the US has in fact adopted the SI units, they have yet to integrate them. Therein lies the rub for you. As a product of the modern educational system, you most likely lack the true foundational schema to grasp what it is hanging you up. When you see the gram values, it's nothing more than a conversion away from ounces. Don't fret it. It means nothing but wt.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From evan

Weight is only one of many factors that make a cymbal sound the way it does. I think people overestimate what it really means, especially when they can't play the cymbal themselves. Here's a pretty good overview of what characteristics influence a cymbal's sound.There are great cymbals heavy and thin alike, and just because two cymbals share the same weight doesn't mean they'll sound the same, or sound good. If it were that easy, there'd be a lot more cymbalsmiths in the world (or maybe less?), and everyone would play circle-punched sheet metal!Ignore any dogmatic adherence to this weight or that, this brand or that, and let your ears choose.

No, you're right about that. In general, I have found a heavier cymbal is suitable for louder music and a lighter cymbal is better for acoustic music. I'd pass on many lighter weight cymbals for a metal gig, the inverse is true of an unplugged acoustic gig. This blues/R&B/funk gig is requiring lighter weight cymbals for a more vintage sound, for example; however- I am not going to toss my heavier cymbals, especially for larger venues.

But ears ARE the best for figuring out whether or not you want a cymbal. This is why I am loathe to buy cymbals online (though I have based on several sound samples).

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
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there are about 28 grams per ounce. grams have become usefull in cymbal parlance because they are more precise, almost 3 times more precise than tenths of ounces and of course, many cymbals ,originating outside of the U.S. would originally have been weighed in grams. even by the time Sabian got rolling, Canada was a metric country.

weights give a rough value of the style of cymbal and a more precise value when compared to other cymbals made the same way; that's all. ultimately, one must play the instrument or have played another very similar one. it takes aa bit of experience in order to choose a cymbal based on weight alone.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From calfskin

there are about 28 grams per ounce. grams have become usefull in cymbal parlance because they are more precise, almost 3 times more precise than tenths of ounces and of course, many cymbals ,originating outside of the U.S. would originally have been weighed in grams. even by the time Sabian got rolling, Canada was a metric country. weights give a rough value of the style of cymbal and a more precise value when compared to other cymbals made the same way; that's all. ultimately, one must play the instrument or have played another very similar one. it takes aa bit of experience in order to choose a cymbal based on weight alone.

As much as I love English measurements, metrics are better for precise measurements!!!! I have been a metrics guy for many years, mainly due to my tenure in the bicycle business!!!!

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
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From bunnyman

As much as I love English measurements, metrics are better for precise measurements!!!! I have been a metrics guy for many years, mainly due to my tenure in the bicycle business!!!!

... and that whole European connection ...

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From RogerSling

... and that whole European connection ...

I learnt the Metrics when it was transitioning to metrics.

Just makes sense to me.

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 12 years ago
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From BUCKIE_B

All I know is that I bought a used set of drums with old cymbals which had ink stamps on most of them saying stuff like 'Med Ride' "Crash Ride", etc., and they played and sounded fine without my every giving a care about their weight in grams, pounds, or ounces.

...so you had what you needed and liked...

From BUCKIE_B

Then, I was advised to trade those cymbals in for new expensive top line brand cymbals because of the 'grams' in weight. Now my original cymbals are gone and I have yet to spend money on new shiny ones measured in grams which have measured up to the old ones! What gives with grams? I don't seem to get it.

...until a salesperson bamboozled you into giving up your old cymbals because the new ones had some "magical property" you don't understand. My friend, you have just experienced being a "consumer".

It seems to me this thread shouldn't be about the metric system. It should be about what steps you can take next to get cymbals you like.

You need to fix the problem created by the advice of the salesmen. First step, don't take advice from salesmen on this problem.

Why not find out what sort of cymbals you used to have and liked? Talk to the nice folks around here and try to pin them down: brand and model and size. Then go buy some old cymbals to replace the other ones.

Just a thought.

Posted on 12 years ago
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