No idea, man. I suppose some people like the shape of the keystone badge better in an aesthetic sense, but I happen to like the pointy B/O badge too, because I think it reps the look of the era of the 70's very well.

Sonically, there is little difference, imo. Some people prefer the clear maple interior shells of the late 60's/early 70's, but I honestly can't tell that much difference -if any at all.

Sonically, yeah, similar drums are going to sound similar, especially with similar interior finishes. However, keystone badge drums sell for a bit more than b/o badges. Is it because they're older? Is it just the painted interiors that sell for more because they have that warm mahogany sound to them? When you look at Supraphonics alone, keystones (w/serial numbers) sell for significantly more than b/o models. The difference isn't as much with kits, but it's still definitely noticeable. If figured with so many buyers/sellers/market watchers on this site, there would be some value opinions and observations.

Let's say you have two Super Classic kits (just the 13" toms, 16" floor toms, and 22" bass drums) identical in every way except for the badges. How much more percent would the keystone badge model sell for than the blue/olive badge model? What about a Downbeat or a Hollywood?

In my experience, the 60s versions usually bring around 20% more than their 70s counterparts. The 5-ply Ludwigs bring significantly less than either (I know, that's off-topic and probably stating the obvious!).

However, much of the time it depends upon the buyer and what he's looking for. When I get 3ply w/rings Ludwigs in (either type), they sell...

RE Drum SETS....

It depends...again on what configuration we are talking about. For example: The Deluxe Classic wasn't offered during the keystone era so the ONLY proper Deluxe Classic is a B/O badge. But the drums are the same sizes as you would find in a Super Classic configuration. I'm sure there are a couple other examples, but that's the one I can think of off-hand.

THANK YOU! This is what I'm looking for. Yes, I figured roughly 20% more, myself. I'm wondering what other people think...

Model names/numbers aside, what if you had two kits that were exactly similar, except for the badges, what is the price percentage difference? How much more (percentage) do you see keystones selling for? How much more (percentage) would you pay for a keystone over a blue/olive badge?

I'd agree with 20% (at a minimum). A guy who played keystones in the 60s is now retired or nearing retirement age - kids out of college - trying to relive the good old days or buy something he always loved but couldn't afford. That alone will boost the price of keystones.

jim

I have no idea how to answer that. I don't look at valuing vintage Ludwig drums in terms of the badge styles. I base my assessments on terms of completeness, correctness and condition. A complete and correct keystone Super Classic wouldn't sell for more than a complete and correct B/O Deluxe Classic -not in my view, anyway.