Bad wording is all... I meant; parts you -don't- want moving. I want the rods to grab a bit inside the ferule. If I slick them up with lube they'll back out easier... no resistance.That's what I meant to say. Sorry for confusion.John
I agree, besides, I don't want my pretty Slingerlands & Ludwigs to get all oily, LoLoLoLo
A little demonstration of a clean dry rod with no grease or lube and then the same rod with grease on it.
The rod was backed out far enough so it was higher than the washer and was not touching the sides of the hole on the hoop. I used Castrol general purpose grease on the threads
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And the bolt was torqued to what ?
From what I see, a loose bolt with no grease has grip and will roll back or forward, and a loose bolt with grease will slip back to where it rested !!
The first bolt does not appear to be under a load !!
Put it on a table and tap the table, it`ll walk around !!
I initially stated i use "a little" vasoline and i mean just a touch.I agree that rods that come out dripping are a pain and i quickly fix that.Remember the Brylcream ad..."A little dab will do ya"
No no,...Jack Nicholson said that to nurse ratchet !!
I uderstand what you mean,...but wipe it dry with a rag and what`s in the threads will be more than enough and the edges of the threads will grab.
And the bolt was torqued to what ? From what I see, a loose bolt with no grease has grip and will roll back or forward, and a loose bolt with grease will slip back to where it rested !! The first bolt does not appear to be under a load !!
It is not torqued to anything in either case. The tension rod is unscrewed so it is about 1/16" above the washer in both cases. It is the same exact rod and is positioned so it is not touching the sides of the hole in the rim. The only difference is that when the threads have grease on them, the viscosity of the grease prevents the rod from turning from the vibration.
from Wikipedia about grease:
"Grease-lubricated bearings have greater frictional characteristics due to their high viscosity."
I understand, but bearrings and the principle behind the screw are not the same concept. The hydrodynamic wedge is a good thing for bearrings, but not for adjustable tension screws that rely on pressure from resistance to maintain a hold. If you were to lubricate the lug nuts on your car wheels, they wont stay tight for long !!
This is a tough one, as you don't want the lugs and rods to seize, but you also don't want them to readily loosen. Loctite is NOT an option, as the inserts in a lug would be destroyed when you try to loosen them.
I wonder is someone could come up with an anti-seize compound that would act as a looser version of loctite?
Hmmm....
obviously there are two camps here .I'm in the lube em camp, they are moving parts which come from the factory with grease on them, also try not lubing nickel t-rods and see what happens, not a pretty thing. Lube for me. it seems players who play the heads more than players that play the rims more are going to get different results, I'm a hard hitter, and only have back out problems from 10 lug drums and above especially 12 lug drum UGH!!!, 8 lug drums stay in tune for a long time for me.
