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A Different Ludwig Speed King Question

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Hi, everyone, FIRST, let me say I've read every post in the top thread about restoring a Speed King, so this goes in a little different direction. I have been working on several of these and I've come across a "difference" that has me confounded. Most of the parts are held together with Roll Pins, which I've had no trouble removing, but the last 2 pedals I've bought have a solid looking pin that doesn't want to come out with the pin punch I was using on the others. Is this something that changed over the years of manufacture? And how the hell do you get those things out!?! I'm talking about the 2 pins that connect the center shaft to the cams. A 1/8" punch drove the first set right out, but I'm having no luck with these last 2 pedals.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Not certain on those pedal pins but if they are a solid tapered pin they will only go out one way. Carefully look at each end and see if one side is smaller. If so this (the smaller side) is the side you want to place the punch on and punch it out from. You might have to carefully file the edge if it's been mushroomed to see which end is smaller. Should be fairly easy. Make sure your punch is smaller or close in size to the pin head or it can spread and be more difficult to remove. You can always cut the point off a nail and use it as a punch. Something else is if the pin cracked and the inside shifted it can be a bear to lineup and remove. Hopefully not the case. Good luck. Post a pic of you can I'm sure the SK guru's can chime in and let you know for certain what was used.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 13 years ago
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They are actually what is called "groove pins" They have a tapered groove that runs the length of the pin. The pins is not tapered per se but the groove make it have a tapered shape around where the groove is so it only goes in one way and comes out one way. These were used on older pedals.

Posted on 13 years ago
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From thin shell

They are actually what is called "groove pins" They have a tapered groove that runs the length of the pin. The pins is not tapered per se but the groove make it have a tapered shape around where the groove is so it only goes in one way and comes out one way. These were used on older pedals.

[SIZE="6"][COLOR="Red"]THANK YOU!!![/COLOR][/SIZE]Now we're getting somewhere. The "hard part" is figuring out which way is that "one way in & out" when the pin is still in the pedal. I finally got two out of the first of the 2 pedals I have with these little critters. After looking at it closely I saw the grooves, but didn't know what I was looking at. Let me tell you, it took some work...I may or may not have been going the right direction, but with a lot of hammering and cussing, they finally gave up and came out. Party

Posted on 13 years ago
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Hey Johnnyv! Glad you posted the question. I've learned something, too! -Mark

Posted on 13 years ago
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groove pins are still available in case yours got messed up in the process. A good hardware store with a good fastener section should carry them. Half the battle is knowing what they are called.

The really small ones will have one or two grooves but over a certain size they will usually have three grooves.

[IMG]http://images.grainger.com/B341_23/images/products/450x450/Grooved-Pin-1KA73_AS01.JPG[/IMG]

Posted on 13 years ago
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From thin shell

groove pins are still available in case yours got messed up in the process. A good hardware store with a good fastener section should carry them. Half the battle is knowing what they are called.The really small ones will have one or two grooves but over a certain size they will usually have three grooves.[IMG]http://images.grainger.com/B341_23/images/products/450x450/Grooved-Pin-1KA73_AS01.JPG[/IMG]

X's 2 really good to know thanks. I imagine it's a pain to figure out which way to tap them out too.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 13 years ago
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From thin shell

groove pins are still available in case yours got messed up in the process. A good hardware store with a good fastener section should carry them. Half the battle is knowing what they are called.The really small ones will have one or two grooves but over a certain size they will usually have three grooves.[IMG]http://images.grainger.com/B341_23/images/products/450x450/Grooved-Pin-1KA73_AS01.JPG[/IMG]

A picture is always worth 1000 words! And, I completely agree that the hardest part is knowing what they're called!

Posted on 13 years ago
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