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BOPworks Jazz Sticks

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Hi All,

Anybody played around with the new BOPworks jazz sticks? I haven't used sticks this light/thin since the 60's. (7A's and such...) I just ordered two sets of sticks from Bopworks: the 40's Swing Classic Drumsticks Gene Krupa model and the Bopworks Shelly Manne Drumsticks. Both sets are long and thin. Acorn bead. I'm hoping they'll feel better in these old hands than the heavier sticks I'm currently using. I passed 60 back there somewhere, time to lighten the load.

Anybody use these? Review please? Balance? Feel? How are they on the brass? etc.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 13 years ago
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Ok, no responses. That can only mean one of two things, either; nobody has ever used these sticks or heard of them, or, nobody gives a rats a$$.

I'll assume nobody owns a pair and press on with a review. (lol)

The sticks arrived at my door less than 48 hours after I ordered them. Impressive.

The sticks:

1st. pair - 40's Swing Classics. A reproduction based on the sticks Gene Krupa used in the 40's. Long, a full 16", has some heft, it's a beefy stick and great balance at the fulcrum. I liked it. Just a tad on the heavy side for my old hands, but a easily controllable stick because it has a little mass to it. Really pulls the sound out of the drums, lots of attack, however a little too loud on cymbals for my liking. Over-all I'd rate it a strong 9 out of ten. Really good sticks, they feel good in the hands.

2nd Pair - Shelly Manne Model. Now this, is an 'old-school' jazz stick! Thin, light, shorter than the 40's Swing model by 1/2" and the acorn tip makes the cymbals sing and rhythms sound very articulate. You can hear every tic with just the right amount of wash. I think the stick is just a little too light-weight though. Gave me some control problems at first, but I did get used to the reduced weight quickly. Soft sticks on the drums. A true, small room, jazz combo set of sticks. When you want good definition without a lot of volume, this is a great set of sticks to consider/try out.

I give the Shelly Manne's a strong 8.5 out of 10. A bit light, but my wife did comment that my speed increased noticeably when I played the Shelly's.

Try em. These are well-balanced, well-made sticks at a really reasonable price. I'd like to recommend them. Good lumber...

John

Note: I do not work for, rep or anything else for this company. I just bought some sticks from them and I wanted to share what I thought of them with you guys. End of disclaimer! lol

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Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 13 years ago
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I checked out their website some nice looking drums on there too. I'd snap these things like twigs with the music I play. I usually use Sd2 boleros, as thick as 2b sticks but lighter wood.

I like too see there are alternatives out there still to the big guys regardless.Cool1

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Posted on 13 years ago
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> I like too see there are alternatives out there still to the big guys regardless.

That's why I threw em some business. I was looking for some old-school jazz sticks and came across this outfit in my hunting. I like supporting little independent guys out there competing against the Sam Ashes and ubiquitous GC's.

Good sticks too. You'd like the Krupa's. It's a beefy stick. Nice and solid, feels that way in the hands. I had good control with them. Volume aplenty! Lots of attack from these sticks. No wonder Gene sounded so solid and powerful... the sticks he used helped!

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 13 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

>Good sticks too. You'd like the Krupa's. It's a beefy stick. Nice and solid, feels that way in the hands. I had good control with them. Volume aplenty! Lots of attack from these sticks. No wonder Gene sounded so solid and powerful... the sticks he used helped!John

I'll give em a whirl next round of sticks I grab, can't hurt to try em

1973 Slingerland Phantom 13,16,22
Late 30s Slingerland Radio King- 7x14
SJC Custom Snare Pink Sparkle- 8x14
62 Slingerland COB Radio King- 5x14
Posted on 13 years ago
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I just wish they compared what their sticks are like to , say 7A, 5A, 5B, etc., etc.

I am curious as far as these sticks go...

How do the wood tips do? I have gotten to hate wood-tipped sticks 'cos the tips tend to disintegrate under my use... But I like the sound...

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 13 years ago
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That's funny, I don't like the way nylon sounds on brass! My sticks last me forever. I haven't broken a stick in 40 years. I hit em too. I'm currently playing a lot of Blues and I really lay into the drums and cymbals sometimes. No problems. I guess it just depends on the player, what style of music etc.

I always look for wood models with an acorn shaped tip and a thin neck. I just like the way that bead sounds on cymbals. Two good surfaces to work with, ie; tip, side of bead. The Shelly Manne's are as close to an old 7A as you can get these days. The Shelly seems a bit thinner to me though. Been a long time since I used anything that thin and light in the hands. They make good sticks though. Well made, balanced. These guys seem to do a lot of reproductions of classic sticks. I'm not sure how important it is to give it a number designation. The specs on the sticks at the site are pretty detailed. That was all I needed to help me decide.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 13 years ago
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I guess I need to measure what I play these days. I play mainly rock, but I never play anything larger than a 5B. I use 2B's for warming up and wood shedding, but generally play 5B and 5A (depending on the song and style I am playing).

25 years ago, I used to ONLY play wood tip, as they would still be useful after a few days of playing. I also HATED nylon tips as they would pop off!!!! Somehow, things have changed, and the nylon tips are more durable for me than the wood; but I like wood tips sound-wise over nylon. Keep in mind that 25 years ago, I played METAL exclusively...

My playing has evolved over the last year- my only practise was playing my Drum Kat!!!! Obviously, that was not going to teach dynamics. When I was dismissed from my last band, I was angry and started to woodshed about two to four hours per day!!! I re-learned dynamics, I re-learned my rudiments, and I relearned how to play a stick without chewing up the shoulder of the stick!!!

The only thing that I am getting from my sticks is that I break parts of the wood tip. I don't know if it's from me or from the design of the tip combined with my playing.

I am also in the search for something that is not sold at Banjo Center. I guess I need calipers to check my sticks against what the Bops cats are selling!!!

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 13 years ago
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> I guess I need calipers to check my sticks against what the Bops cats are selling!!!

LOL - Not at all. Sounds to me like the explanation for the problem with wood tips might be as simple as the music you play. Metal, Rock both demand power and volume. If that's what you're playing exclusively, then I completely understand why you're going to have problems with wood tipped sticks.

Do you play matched grip? I play traditional grip (left hand) which I think just naturally makes you play just a bit softer. It's all in the grip... if you're driving the stick from the elbow, (big, rock back-beats) rather than from the wrist and fingers, you're going to break a wood bead in short order. Change 'where' the control/force is coming from, (wrist and fingers) and your wood tips will last much longer. I wasn't kidding you, I haven't broken a drum stick in tens of years. Some of the sticks I use are five plus years old. A couple pair are older. You're on the right track working on dynamics. Not just for the range it gives you, but because it is simply easier, you don't work as hard. It's easier to relax completely while playing, great for your head and for your body. Holding the sticks too tight will cause the force of each blow to go through your hands. Relaxing the grip may also help with busted tip situation.

Keep a set of woody's around for your own enjoyment. Save the nylon for rehearsals and gigs.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 13 years ago
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Thanks for heads up and info!

Closest shop that carries then by me is in NYC, I'll pick a few up next time I'm there.

Posted on 13 years ago
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