Playing Ludwigs?

(Not that there's anything wrong with playing Luddies)

Sure he did!!!

Just saying the first thing I noticed in the photo was a Ludwig badge.

I saw that Vistalite kit on tele when I was a lad...

Beautiful looking kit. Pics and eBay posting:

This listing is for promotion only at the moment! These drums will be listed for auction on 14th Aug at 11PM BST for 10 days at a starting price of £0.99.

This is a replica of Keith Moon's Premier chrome drum kit that he used between December 1968 and February 1970.

At around the time The Who changed from being a Mod, power pop singles band into serious contender for greatest rock band ever, Keith Moon went shopping at Premier.

Having pretty much destroyed his Pictures of Lily kit, Moon's next kit would be chrome finished and it would be the kit he would immediately use on the Rolling Stone's Rock and Roll Circus. He would also use it at Woodstock in 1969, record Tommy with it and lastly use it "Live at Leeds".

The drums follow the same basic design as the Red Sparkle (1966-67) and Pictures of Lily (1967-68) kits with a few variations.

Like the previous 2 drum sets there were 2, 22x14 bass drums, 3, 14x8 mounted toms, 2 (possibly 3), 16x18 Floor Toms and 1, 16x16 floor tom. I have used the same size drums.

There were several differences between these drums and the previous sets.

The most important change was that Premier had stopped making what is now called Pre-International size drums and were making standardized international size drums. The floor toms were now standard sizes and had 8 lugs and not 10.

Premier had also stopped using 3 ply birch as its drum material and had swapped to using 3 ply mahogany. Its difficult to know exactly which material Moon's kit was made from. Probably mahogany. It is possible (although unlikely) that some or all of the drums were made from birch. I thought that when Premier made the size change they simultaneously changed the kind of wood they were using, but while making this drum set I discovered an old Standard Size 16x18 and 12x8 in birch and stamped "International Size". One of the floor toms is the standard size 16x18 made from birch. It seems that Premier used up its supply of birch before moving onto mahogany despite having already made the size change.

Another change that Premier had made was the placement of the bass drum spurs, putting them higher up the bass drum and making them longer giving them a more flared look. Keith Moon had Premier spurs fitted onto both bass drums initially but at some point changed to using Rogers spurs and mounts on the left bass drum. The Rogers spurs had to be bent in order to touch the ground.

The badge design had also changed. This new P badge design would last through the 70s with the addition of serial numbers in 1970. The donor kits I have used were late 1960s drums with no serial numbers on there badges.

Lastly Rogers were by now manufacturing a double tom mount that Moon used on the left bass drum to mount 2 toms and no longer had to make do with 2 single mounts placed close together.

This kit was made from late 1960s drums. All drums are made from mahogany except one 16x18 floor tom and the right bass drum which is a 1970s birch drum. The the bass drums have different sounds with strong attack from the right and low boom from the left.

The right bass drum has had the original tom mount filled and a Rogers angled mount placed on the left side to mount the right tom.

The left bass drum has Rogers mounts and spurs fitted, just like Moons. The spurs had to be heated and bent to work effectively. I suspect looking from the pictures that Moon just bent his!

Everything is the same as Keith Moon's kit in 1969.

I'd like to make say that the finish is absolutely stunning but it does show every single fingerprint, mark etc. There are a a couple of tiny scratches in places that don't show. Both are less than 1/2 inch.! There is an area in the chrome just below one of the bass drum mounts that is duller than the rest. Picture shown!

Lastly this is an original 1960s drum kit. The chrome does show some pitting and scratching here and there. It ranges from mostly excellent to rough in a few places.

more pics from eBay ad:

By contract, I didn`t think he was allowed to put the bands logo on anything but Premire !! But it may be before his contract cuz he`s quite younger in that photo !! Those clear vistas` with the fish in them don`t have it.

Is that a Ringo kit ?...He did give Ringo his drum set once, maybe Ringo returned the gesture !!

I almost said "Ringo kit", and with their storied friendship this could have been true.

Nor is there anything wrong with choosing to not play any particular brand of drums.

Of course!!!

I agree 10K%!!!!