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I just bought the pictured drum kit off of craigslist. From what i can tell, it seems like an old japanese star kit but I'm not sure. Someone replaced the tom mount with a old ludwig mount. Same with the mounting hardware. There are no badges to id the kit from what i can see. Can anyone help id the year/make if this kit? I'm trying to decide if I should sell it or fix it up. I'm real interested in the place where the cymbal arm use to be. Is there anyway to get these old parts? Any help would be great. Thanks! Gregg

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Hi, and Welcome! Greg. These are indeed a Star stencil kit. The shells, or rather the bass shell with the grey paint tells me A) this kit is post-67 and 9 ply luaun and the toms likely are 6 ply luaun. B) The hardware is all Star, with the exception of that Ludwig mount etc. Other than that, nothing else we can tell from really. No telling what name they were marketed under, but they were indeed built by Star in Japan, not Taiwan. The Taiwanese drums would be a later era.

Also, it looks like the perpetrator used some Ludwig spurs as well.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Thanks for the welcome and info! It's nice to officially get some kind of identification. Can you suggest something for the hole on the top of the bass drum? My guess is it was used for a cymbal mount on the original kit. I would love to to get the original piece but I'm sure they are hard to find. If not can you suggest some kind of restoration/cover up? Also you mentioned the gray painted bass drum. Was this something done by the factory? I assumed someone just painted it. The inside of the toms look to be staind. Is that also normal? Thanks again for the info. I love the restoration you do with the glitter. I would like to do that too. I assume since this is a wrapped kit I should leave it be.

Gregg

Posted on 13 years ago
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Can you suggest something for the hole on the top of the bass drum? My guess is it was used for a cymbal mount on the original kit. I would love to to get the original piece but I'm sure they are hard to find. If not can you suggest some kind of restoration/cover up? [COLOR="Red"]Try member Mikey777 for parts first. If he can't help, then we will go to back up plan no. 1[/COLOR]

Also you mentioned the gray painted bass drum. Was this something done by the factory? I assumed someone just painted it. The inside of the toms look to be staind. Is that also normal? [COLOR="red"]Yes, the grey is a factory paint job. All of them should have this color. As for a stain, it was, to my knowledge, only the grey paint/stain/lacquer that was used during this era, so I cannot tell you otherwise.[/COLOR]

Thanks again for the info. I love the restoration you do with the glitter. I would like to do that too. I assume since this is a wrapped kit I should leave it be. [COLOR="red"]Absolutely! We of the collectors/players and purveyors of any and all vintage drums far prefer original to non-original any day. If, however, a drum has wrap that is just done in, then we say do it, do the dirty deed of re-wrapping, if you can afford it. Truthfully, MIJ drums are rarely going to bring enough at re-sale time to ever recoup the cost of a new wrap job. That is why you see me doing the glitter thing. The cost of the glitter (Hobby Lobby, Michael's, etc. in that order as H/L is by far the cheapest, if you have one nearby) and the lacquer (Deft Gloss brushing lacquer from Lowe's, again cheapest), including my labor/time, (this is the real bargain, as I am really cheap :~) is negligible, compared to $250.00++ for wrap, glue and installation, plus shipping them, both ways to one of the purveyors to do said install...way too much. Most re-wraps cost, at the bare minimum, with all costs added, is $400.00++ [/COLOR]

Gregg

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 13 years ago
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Thank you again for all the info. The only parts of the drum that are bothersome are where they patched where the original mounting hardware use the be. The rest in all in tact so probably best to leave it as is I assume. Those glitter drums look so cool though! Maybe one day I'll get a chance to try it out.

I PM'ed Mickey so we'll see if he can help.

Thanks

Gregg

Posted on 13 years ago
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Can you suggest something for the hole on the top of the bass drum? My guess is it was used for a cymbal mount on the original kit. I would love to to get the original piece but I'm sure they are hard to find. If not can you suggest some kind of restoration/cover up? [COLOR="Red"]Try member Mikey777 for parts first. If he can't help, then we will go to back up plan no. 1[/COLOR]Also you mentioned the gray painted bass drum. Was this something done by the factory? I assumed someone just painted it. The inside of the toms look to be staind. Is that also normal? [COLOR="red"]Yes, the grey is a factory paint job. All of them should have this color. As for a stain, it was, to my knowledge, only the grey paint/stain/lacquer that was used during this era, so I cannot tell you otherwise.[/COLOR]Thanks again for the info. I love the restoration you do with the glitter. I would like to do that too. I assume since this is a wrapped kit I should leave it be. [COLOR="red"]Absolutely! We of the collectors/players and purveyors of any and all vintage drums far prefer original to non-original any day. If, however, a drum has wrap that is just done in, then we say do it, do the dirty deed of re-wrapping, if you can afford it. Truthfully, MIJ drums are rarely going to bring enough at re-sale time to ever recoup the cost of a new wrap job. That is why you see me doing the glitter thing. The cost of the glitter (Hobby Lobby, Michael's, etc. in that order as H/L is by far the cheapest, if you have one nearby) and the lacquer (Deft Gloss brushing lacquer from Lowe's, again cheapest), including my labor/time, (this is the real bargain, as I am really cheap :~) is negligible, compared to $250.00++ for wrap, glue and installation, plus shipping them, both ways to one of the purveyors to do said install...way too much. Most re-wraps cost, at the bare minimum, with all costs added, is $400.00++ [/COLOR]Gregg

Yes sir Jonnistix,It's are Star made set...I most likely have the cymbal mount for you bass drum..I will let you know...Mikey

Posted on 13 years ago
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Thanks for checking Mickey! I'm inspired to restore the set as much as possible after looking at these forums. I would probably have more issues if I were to remove the ludwig hardware so I'll probably just leave those pieces. Thanks again.

Gregg

Posted on 13 years ago
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I have another question if I may. Do you know if there was suppose to be some kind of wrap on the bass drum hoops. They are just chrome now but they look like something is supposed to be there. If so, got any ideas of something i can replace it with.

Thanks

Gregg

Posted on 13 years ago
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There would have been an inlay like any other hoops, but finding suitable replacement is tough as these old MIJ sparkles are not the same color as American drums. But, you can get them for relatively cheap.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 13 years ago
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