18" Avedis Large Stamp

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I got this one off eBay a few months back. This is one of a few cymbals from this era that have changed my thinking about hammering during this period. This one is 100% hand hammered both front and back.

When I first got this one, it had remnants of a lacquer coating that was applied to it a long time ago, but was still apparent in a few places particularly around the bell area where less play occurred that could cause it to wear off. You can see this as a slight yellow in that area. I have since stripped off all that coating, opening it up and allowing the full measure of the cymbal's tonality to come through.

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[color=black][font=times new roman][size=+1] 1343 grams[/size][/font][/color]

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This to me is the best 18" cymbal I've ever had, and that includes a myriad of them including many old K's. It's as perfect a crash-ride as any drummer could ask for, and its also the epitome of the archetypal "Ringo" cymbal. This represents the endpoint of a several decades long quest for exactly this, first inspired by the Ringo 18". I'm sure that he would have dug this one.

[color=black][font=times new roman][size=+1]18" Avedis Large Stamp with mallets[/size][/font][/color]

[color=black][font=times new roman][size=+1]18" Avedis Large Stamp with sticks[/size][/font][/color]

Posted on 13 years ago

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Verrrry nice. A very noble quest completed.

I'm interested in what you look for to decide that a surface is 100% hand hammered.

Can you spot the difference between initial light machine hammering followed by substantial hand hammering and 100% hand hammering? Will machine hammering always leave some telltale surface indications which can't be disguised by later hand hammering? I don't know if Zildjian ever used mixed techniques in this way. Have you got a photo of one which shows a mixed approach? Has a mixed strategy cymbal passed through your hands?

And on the matter of photos, do you need to hold the cymbal in your hand to be sure about hand hammering? Or can you do it from a few good quality photos lit from different directions?

Posted on 13 years ago

Drumaholic

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Verrrry nice. A very noble quest completed. I'm interested in what you look for to decide that a surface is 100% hand hammered. Can you spot the difference between initial light machine hammering followed by substantial hand hammering and 100% hand hammering? Will machine hammering always leave some telltale surface indications which can't be disguised by later hand hammering? I don't know if Zildjian ever used mixed techniques in this way. Have you got a photo of one which shows a mixed approach? Has a mixed strategy cymbal passed through your hands? And on the matter of photos, do you need to hold the cymbal in your hand to be sure about hand hammering? Or can you do it from a few good quality photos lit from different directions?

I have plans to start a thread on that very topic in the near future, because I was asked to a long time ago.

Posted on 13 years ago

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I have plans to start a thread on that very topic in the near future, because I was asked to a long time ago.

That cymbal really sounds very nice. Its a keeper! I look forward to your thread on hand hammering.

Mark
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Posted on 13 years ago

mountainhick

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My favorite 18" is a 50's Avedis around the same weight. Similar in sound, maybe a little brighter, but I really don't know whether it was hand hammered or not. I have been rocking out with Paiste 2002's for a while, I'll have to set up the Zildjians today and revisit that one.

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