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Is there a market for restored vintage drums?

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im a historic restorer for landmark buildings(churches etc) and do a few classic car now and then, some instruments as a hobby the same rule should apply here if you can conserve/preserve the drum then thats what you do with any thing old and analyze (sometime we do microscopic analysis on the finish if it tite we clean it and oil, polish/wax it touch up and blend were u can if not re re do it ... with anything else whether its a historic home car or musical instrument the rule of thumb is if its is degraded beyond repair as with some classic cars we replace parts with nos or good used oem so as with a rare drum the rarer of course the more specific you want to be in the restoration if the rap is gone but everything else is there and restorable then to make it right you find a rap close as possible even from the original co. if possible finding raps form the era as there around u have to be creative in the search and rescue then it s vintage correct that is not wrong to do especially if its nos raps (new old stock)

or vintage manufactured or oem in good used condition but if none of the above then you go to aftermarket as close as possible either for keeping and playing or for reselling not everyone out there is a purist granted as time goes by museum pieces are rare and hard to come by just be honest about it and someone will be glad to own it thats all i got to say about that

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 13 years ago
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Well said jaghog.

Joe


“I did not trip and fall. I attacked the floor and I believe I am winning.”
Posted on 13 years ago
#52
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Yes. Very well said. However, that makes them "player" kits and that moves out of the realm of fiscal profitability. As long as there's a pub with Boston on the jukebox, there will be a market for "player" kits. Those just don't bring in the kind of money that the question is posing due to the cost of OEM parts and quality wrap. This is a tough business to try and crack. There is such a fine line that you have to walk ... better you than me.

Posted on 13 years ago
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I restore interiors of old cars for a living. Most 50 yr old cars have to have new upholstery. No matter how low the miladge is or how it has been kept, the upholstery deteriorates. All those old cars on barrett jackson auctions that fetch $100,000 or so have brand new upholstery. There are a lot of aftermarket interior parts out there for a lot of cars. There is virtually no such thing as NOS factory upholstery. The engines get rebuilt, repaint etc.... and these cars go for insane amounts of money. With that all said, the vintage drum business is a totally different thing. You can actually find 50 yr old drums that just need a good cleaning and you can actually find new old stock on some parts. Sooner or later these drums are going to disappear to collectors and the market will go up. Im sure the rewrapped drums will have thier own market some day. Till then collect what you can and wait. Hope that our decendants will know what these are and not give them away to some carpet bagger!

From jaghog

im a historic restorer for landmark buildings(churches etc) and do a few classic car now and then, some instruments as a hobby the same rule should apply here if you can conserve/preserve the drum then thats what you do with any thing old and analyze (sometime we do microscopic analysis on the finish if it tite we clean it and oil, polish/wax it touch up and blend were u can if not re re do it ... with anything else whether its a historic home car or musical instrument the rule of thumb is if its is degraded beyond repair as with some classic cars we replace parts with nos or good used oem so as with a rare drum the rarer of course the more specific you want to be in the restoration if the rap is gone but everything else is there and restorable then to make it right you find a rap close as possible even from the original co. if possible finding raps form the era as there around u have to be creative in the search and rescue then it s vintage correct that is not wrong to do especially if its nos raps (new old stock)or vintage manufactured or oem in good used condition but if none of the above then you go to aftermarket as close as possible either for keeping and playing or for reselling not everyone out there is a purist granted as time goes by museum pieces are rare and hard to come by just be honest about it and someone will be glad to own it thats all i got to say about that

1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Posted on 13 years ago
#54
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Yes very well said. And an interesting job at that. But my tired old eyes seem to have a hard time navigating your posts with minimal punctuation and capitals and paragraphs...... LOL !! I guess I'll never catch on to this texting stuff either LOL!!

Cheers, and a Merry Christmas, BigE

Posted on 13 years ago
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From poppy79424

Sooner or later these drums are going to disappear to collectors and the market will go up. Im sure the rewrapped drums will have thier own market some day. Till then collect what you can and wait. Hope that our decendants will know what these are and not give them away to some carpet bagger!

BowingBowing

Kevin
Posted on 13 years ago
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From Drummer808

In part, it depends on the condition and rarity of the drums. Since I've been tracking Gretsch 60's Round Badge Progressive Jazz kits in the 20", 12" and 14" configuration recently...Two completely original kits popped up recently on Ebay - one in burgundy sparkle which I would grade in Good condition and one in champagne sparkle in Very Good condition. The kit in burgundy sparkle sold for $1694.00 and the kit in champagne sparkle sold for $2025.00. Around the same time, roundbadgedude had a beautiful, pristine, professionally re-wrapped kit (with re-painted interiors and no paper tags in the toms) sell for $1525.00. Really not that much of a price difference between these original kits and a re-wrapped one in these cases. As mlvibes pointed out in an earlier post, the parts alone on these kits is worth over $1700.Of course, those re-wrapped Round Badge kit with an 18" bass drum are a whole other story. As Steve Maxwell wrote on his website a few years ago:"Recently we became aware of two more sales of 12/14/18 round badge sets, both with matching snare drums. Each of these sets was rewrapped, and those sets each brought $7500. This is a previously unheard of price level for rewrapped sets of this type. In general, in the past we have seen rewrapped kits bringing about half of what a fully original kit would sell for. So, when the original sets were in the $7500 range you could assume you would pay about $3500-$4000 for a rewrapped set."

I've noticed the same thing. Nicely reconditioned RB kits bring pretty good money, certainly not "worthless" as some here assert. Maybe it is unique to Gretsch because original, matched, unmolested kits in nice condition are not easy to come by.

Dave

Posted on 13 years ago
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I have this problem too after buying 2 vintage Premier snares.

1. Premier super ace, painted off white shell with stains and such and no snare wires.

2. Premier dominion ace, All parts are there except the badge and top snare wires?

Any info on what i should do with them please get in touch as im STUCK!

ps. there are pics on a post i put up a few days ago.

Cheers

Darren from the UK.

Posted on 13 years ago
#58
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i say if some wants to buy a kit other than for investments, its for playing even a beater if it is solid it sounds better than a new set because of the wood and the aging of it .... vintage is cool no matter what condition but the price has to be right unless its to complete a kit or for personal use enough about that

"i just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in ,,yeah,,, yeahh oh yeahhhh "

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 13 years ago
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