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Premier threads what are they?

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Hello.

Im new to the forum but have spent a very informative few hours since I joined. Love the site and the experience within this community.

This week I returned to the world of drumming after a number of years away. I picked up a battered old 60/70's kit mostly comprising of premier parts.

I am taking it apart cleaning it up and generally lavisihing some TLC which it has not had for a while. The snare is a wooden one with that clever parallel snare action if that helps date it. One of the screws holding a lug in is missing and I need to replace it. Its does not appear to be metric but what is it? It looks about the size of a M4 screw if that helps. This is sounding like a british classic bike forum now!! Im not an expert on imperial threads BSF? whitworth?UNC UNF?? they are just words and acronyms to me! If you know what it should be or know what Premier were using in the 60s/70/s then I would be most grateful. I guess I can pick up a selection from ebay

Thanks in advance

Keith MamAc in a very cold London UK x-mas3

Posted on 13 years ago
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Hello Kmamac, and welcome to the forum !!

If no one chimes in with the answer here, there is a good website on Vintage Premier drums. It is run by Tam Rankin, and he is a wealth of information and a cool cat to talk to as well.

Here's a link to his site, which will help you contact him...try to log in and look for his email address.

Happy Holidays!!

Kev

:Santa:

Kevin
Posted on 13 years ago
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From kevins

Hello Kmamac, and welcome to the forum !!If no one chimes in with the answer here, there is a good website on Vintage Premier drums. It is run by Tam Rankin, and he is a wealth of information and a cool cat to talk to as well.Here's a link to his site, which will help you contact him...try to log in and look for his email address.Happy Holidays!!Kev:Santa:

I`m sure there`s a link somewhere,...??

That a boy kev,...rib the new guy !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 13 years ago
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Hi and welcome!

The thread will mostly like be not metric. On ebay UK (search for 'Premier' and tensioners, screws or bolts) you'll find them regularly (also at the moment). If you wonna keep it as original as possible, it should be the round slot headed type (they are a little bit more expensive).

There's also another great forum on old Premier's here:

http://www.mikedolbear.co.uk/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=3

Ralf

Vintage STAR (= Pre-Tama) website: www.star-drums.de
Posted on 13 years ago
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From OddBall

I`m sure there`s a link somewhere,...?? That a boy kev,...rib the new guy !!

That would help, wouldn't it...... pre coffee.... LOL !!

Link............

Kevin
Posted on 13 years ago
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Hello Keith! Welcome

It seems to me, it maybe Premier's traditional 7/32" thread.

Merry Christmas!

George.

Posted on 13 years ago
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I just finished re-furbishing an Olympic Discus from about 1960. That's the really narrow Picollo that they made with the lateral ribbed threads.The former owner had replaced the bottom 6 t-rods with square headed ones. I put a thread guage and micrometer on them and they came out as S.A.E. 12-24 and that would be close to 7/32 but not quite. A 12-24 t.p.i. thread is about 10 thou. bigger. These are called machine screw threads. The really curious thing is----- THAT, became some sort of unstated standard. A disproportionate number of drum companies settled on this thread. Since I had a lot of Tromsa parts around, I replaced the bottom t's on the Olympic with Tromsa ones ,which are so close to the Olympic/Premier as to look like they were made in the same facility-----perhaps they were. It seems, Tromsa used the same thread, Trowa/Tacton( East Germany !!) used the same thread in the 60's and 70's at least,Premier,Boosey&Hawkes,John Grey,Carlton-----all of the British stuff from what I can tell,in the 50's and on as well as a number of Japanese fabricators and most of the American stuff. It is a very common and easily found thread but if you ever need to drill a hole to make a thread(taps and dies are readily available---even in metric countries) you will need a special drill to size the hole----- a # 16----175 thou. but you could get away with an 11/64" at 172 thou----it will make a little tighter thread.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Thanks for the replies. I thought it would be useful for those searching to post a confirmation of the above that I found out. The thread is indeed a 12-24 UNC. I have purchased a tap (on ebay ) and its spot on! So to confirm the thread IS 12-24 UNC.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

Keith

Posted on 13 years ago
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Hi I just got my hands on an old premier xpk drum set its a natural laquer finish. Its in really good shape the cool part is I got it for an absolute steal. I got a 5pc. the snare was a pork pie pig lite acrylic snare. came with s boom stands snare stand hi hat stand throne 4pc padded bags. The guy gave me everything for$275 I couldnt believe it. I havent heard a lot about the drums. Does anyone know about the quality. would this be a good gigging set, or recording set. I guess its all a matter of opinion, so can I get some opinions??? Thanks my e mail is [email]deanodaddy@hotmail.com[/email]

Posted on 13 years ago
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One thing I noticed on my one Premier vintage tom that I got as a orphan

tom with a Olympic 3 pc, was the tension rods are smaller on the finished

chrome and the threaded section is standard and wider than the finished

chrome section, kinda neat touch. I love Premier vintage birch shells...

Found it!!
Posted on 13 years ago
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