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Tacton snare drum

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This is not the first time Tacton designs have been referred to as "copies". It is as though, Sonor ,Ludwig ,Premier etc. have some god given right to own drum designs. In what way is this Tacton metal snare a copy?

Parallel drop snare throwoffs go back to at least the 30's, when Leedy, Boosey&Hawkes,possibly Carlton and Premier used them.At one time or another almost every drum maker aiming at a quality product has used this system but the concept seems to have been most accepted in Europe.

Tacton is an outshoot of a brand called Trowa. I believe they were made in the same factory and had ties to Dresdner Apparatebau; the makers of probably the most reknowned concert snare drums of all time. This is probably where the concept of tunable snares came from ,an idea that eventually became common on all concert snare drums of quality. Trowa, which became the name of the Sonor factory after 1950, were making parallel drop snare drums at least as early as the time the Sonor expatriates were walking out the door but not all of Sonors employees left, otherwise Trowa wouldn't have been able to make world class snare drums at the drop of a hat. Sonor may have taken the name but they didn't necessarily take all of the expertise. Trowa drums (and later Tacton) built a quality product and from what I can see(i have 9 examples) the designs are unique and were likely created in house. The mufflers are unique and are the best muffler design in the history of drums, they used cast aluminum lugs, with felt packed brass receiver nuts in the early drums, the shells were 3 ply European beech, cold rolled, using a clever nibbling technique on the inner ply,hoops were more closely allied to the early Trixon style with a pronounced flattened gentle curve in over the head ,throwoff,pushed down to engage-----the ****her you pushed, the tighter, the snares got and up to lift off. plating was nickel . at some time the snare attachment became by way of a throughstud out of the end of the wirecarriers, tightened and loosened against the symmetrical hangers by a knurled nut. exactly, what are these designs ,copies of? Sonor,nor Ludwig,nor Premier never made anything even remotely resembling this.

the Tacton snare in question here is probably dates from aropund 1970. it is a fairly standard metal snare of the period, chrome on steel, with a rolled and tacked seam. wires for this are exceptionally hard to find, but can be made quite easily. these are very good sounding drums and with a proper set of wires have a high degree of snare sensitivity. this drum came from probably the area of the world with the highest concentration of musical instrument craftsmen anywhere and up until the designers were slapped with severe materials and energy shortages,they contributed quite a few fine specimens to the menagerie of schlagzeuge and given the conditions under which they toiled, quite a few afterwards as well.

Posted on 13 years ago
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From Dule

Hello to all off you! I find a relatively discent condition Tacton metal snare drum 14x5,5,and i want to share with you some look at the East German ingineering.First off all sorry,some things i cant explane in english(because it is bad),but I hope you will see from pictures,what it is.First,shell is not welded,nuts in the lugs are M6.Snare mehanism is some kind of copy of Ludwig super sensitive or premier 2000 sistems.I'm missing one part(you can see it on the picture which is not mine),it is cental 6mm thick bar with handle,but I will make it.Whole snare sistem is in the springs inside the snare which lift up snarw,and with the handle you push it down too adjust snare and then release it and springs on both ends lift it up.I dont know is those snare bads original or someone during the years made them.If somebody own another snare like this,can put light on that.Also,I don't know is the original snare clasic 14" or it is oversized because it can be fixed with longer snares.Hope this can interest a bit

o.k.----so i went to my identical drum and it appears that all you are missing is the two cams that fit on the throughrod. these are 2.6 cm. in diameter, 1 cm. thick ,made of a hard plastic or possibly nylon. there is a flattened portion 1cm.long opposite the set screws which lock the cams into the groove in the throughrod(snare lever).The cams are attached on either side of the drum on the inside and work in the ground slot that you will see in the adjustment bar for the snare carrier. These would be easy to make from a hard plastic . the centre of the throughrod hole is 9mm from the edge. do you have the throughrod? the picture of the Tacton snare drum with the offset lugs(i have that drum too) has a similar mechanism but I have trouble seeing the cams in the photograph of it also. Phil.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Hello dear Phil !

All the words are exellent!! Where you are from ? Your deep knowledge about german drums will surprised even collegue Ralf...

When I read your posts, often, it seems to me that these are my own words about great Saxonian percussions manufacturers and Weissenfels especially...

You are right absolutely -my phrase about copying not correct. Similar situation is in automotive industry - many times in my own engineer's life I listened the words "copy !!, plagiarism !!".

- Many years ago during very long period I've used these types of german drums and love them whole. I save my beautiful TROWA set in completely original view with all the stands and cymbals.

I've read a VDF discussion about famous "Sparkling Black & Silver Striped" (Sonor code "M") wrap - my kit have this kind. :)

But I also for a long time can't find nowhere a piece of it for rewrapping on my additional FT 16". :(

Originally Posted by calfskino.k.----so i went to my identical drum and it appears that all you are missing is the two cams that fit on the throughrod. these are 2.6 cm. in diameter, 1 cm. thick, made of a hard plastic or possibly nylon.

- I like parallel strainer very much. My snare have a leveral mechanic on beech shell. When Weissenfels moved from leveral to eccentric manage, material of eccentrical cams was a good polyamid kind PA-66, and further it was changed to low cost PP type.

I successfully changed them on one of this type's snares to turned from brass.

Originally Posted by calfskinwires for this are exceptionally hard to find, but can be made quite easily.

Yeah, I've always made wires by myself. :-)

Nice to read you again, Phil.

George.

P.S.: Below some pic to Dule of eccentric cams and beautiful muffler - from the French drummerforum.

Posted on 13 years ago
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There`s nothing quality about the seam in that metal snare,...it`s in between anchor lugs and so visible, subject to expantion and contraction and vibrations. Quality would be welded !! (I do sheet copper work for 30 years,..no lessons please !!) That muffler wouldn`t last five minutes against rock drummers,..that`s why they use tape, the spring action will bounce up and down between hits. I have yet to find a quality snare muffler,..tape is the best option. A quality drum accepts all drumming and is hard to break. That .."god given right" ..is called a patend,... It`s a nice drum,..I can`t afford one like that or other brands but when I get one,..it will be German made to go with my kit !! If it`s metal,..it will be welded,..if it`s wood, it will be TandG !! And if it fails me,..I`ll give it my best Moon # !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 13 years ago
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Thank you all for replies.I dont have throughrod,did not come with snare,but that can be easili made from 6mm steel,that is not a problem.yhank you for information about cam dimensions,anyway I tried something and it is not easy or almost omposible to push tje snare mehanism with rod,springs are hard and I need a little push with hand to release snare.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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From Dule

Thank you all for replies. I dont have throughrod, did not come with snare, but that can be easyli made from 6 mm steel, that is not a problem.

We don't doubt in your talant and successful snare's restoration.

From OddBall

I have yet to find a quality snare muffler,..tape is the best option.

Sometimes I have to agree with your words about across-tape under the head - often it was happened as a most effective damping.

Posted on 13 years ago
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