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Old 06-07-2018, 07:45 PM
skapunk_edge skapunk_edge is offline
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Default Did Ludwig Ever Have A Catalog Kit in the 60's of 13, 14, 16, 18 24?

I recently met someone who is restoring a late 60's Keystone Badge kit in these sizes and I was trying to look up that configuration in the catalogs and couldn't find anything. Definitely sold as a kit. Serial Numbers are all really close. 13 and 14 rack toms, 16 and 18 Floors and a 24 inch kick all in Gold Sparkle and clear interiors. Anyone know if that was a catalog kit at one time? Thanks!
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:24 PM
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Default Re: Did Ludwig Ever Have A Catalog Kit in the 60's of 13, 14, 16, 18 24?

It was called the Pro Beat sometime in the early 70's, before that, I don't know. I had that kit with the b/o pointy badges, date stamp inside was 1971 or 1972 I think.
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:28 PM
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Default Re: Did Ludwig Ever Have A Catalog Kit in the 60's of 13, 14, 16, 18 24?

Thanks! Has anyone ever seen a 60's kit in a Pro Beat Config catalogued anywhere or would that have been a special order? I rarely see Keystone 24 Kicks and 18 inch Floors
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1964 Ludwig Jazz Combo Kit Gold Sparkle
1964 Gretsch Jazz Progressive Jazz Progressive Kit
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1979 Rogers XP-8 Super Londoner Tobacco Sunburst
1982 Rogers XP-8 Black Londoner
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:24 PM
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Default Re: Did Ludwig Ever Have A Catalog Kit in the 60's of 13, 14, 16, 18 24?

18" floors were available. They came as one of the floor toms in the Blue Note setups. The 14"x24" bass drums were also listed as a size available in a Classic bass drum. So, certainly available at least in special order.

Mike
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Old 06-07-2018, 10:23 PM
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Default Re: Did Ludwig Ever Have A Catalog Kit in the 60's of 13, 14, 16, 18 24?

There were gaps of time between catalogs, usually at least two years, sometimes 3 or 4 years. The Pro Beat first shows up in the '71 catalog which probably came out in 1970 but that outfit isn't in the '67 catalog (which was probably put out sometime in late '66) so there is a pretty good gap there during which a LOT of production changes were taking place. So there may have been a flyer or a new products catalog put out at some point prior to 1970 announcing the Pro Beat configuration. Bigger drums were coming into vogue around that time so they may have decided to do an outfit in those sizes right around the end of the decade. Given the lead time to put an all new catalog together (and the '71 catalog was pretty much all new as far as the photos went) the concept of the Pro-Beat must have come about at some point in the late 60's to be included. It was pictured in the new ("bowling ball")version of Oyster Blue that came out around 1969. Badges changed from keystone to B/O around this same time frame too. It would be a very early example but it wouldn't be impossible...not that it is any less of a drum set if someone ordered it that way prior to it being included in the catalog as an "outfit". Catalog sets were just suggestions...drummers could customize those configurations however they wanted.
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Old 06-08-2018, 08:11 AM
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Default Re: Did Ludwig Ever Have A Catalog Kit in the 60's of 13, 14, 16, 18 24?

Yet another...."I don't see it in a catalog, so how can it be a real drum set"? thread. It was a real and complete drum set for the original owner. I will save my usual responses to such a silly topic, and just laugh about it being of concern to anyone.
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:09 AM
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Default Re: Did Ludwig Ever Have A Catalog Kit in the 60's of 13, 14, 16, 18 24?

Boy Mikey you had to mention blue note didn’t you man I miss that kit
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:32 AM
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Boy Mikey you had to mention blue note didnít you man I miss that kit
I couldn't believe it when you sold it Gary. That's a lot of drums though.

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