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Old 10-11-2018, 11:12 PM
O-Lugs O-Lugs is offline
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The Nickelworks snare throw with the plastic throw arm.
Just a matter of time before it broke.
Wow, I already forgot about those. I never liked them. They always reminded me of the Simplex derailleur I had on my old bicycle....and IT was always breaking, too. But I met Greg Nickels and he's a really nice guy.

The Arbiter Flats kits were ok. They were a "last ditch" attempt to sell Ivor Arbiter's tuning mechanism....which failed to sell on the rather pricey AT line when they came out. Personally, I love my AT kit. The Flats were portable, but there were already a couple of similar kits by other companies on the market and hardly any of them caught on.

Which reminds me of another miserable design by Yamaha...The HipGig kit. It seemed like a good idea, on paper, but, in reality, those kits were heavy and took up every bit as much of a footprint as a regular kit. All the hardware and half the drum!
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:00 AM
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What about Molecules Drums? Anyone remember those? I don't think I ever saw anyone using them.
I played a set at GC in Santa Clara.
Absolutely dreadful sound and feeling.
AND at about $4K...I don't think so.
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Old 10-15-2018, 10:10 AM
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I agree about the Arbiter Flats kit. Those actually weren't too bad.

I have a RIMS "Headset" that is just heads and no shells. It used to belong to John Stebal from Stebal Drums. He said it was one of the first tuneable ones that Gary Gauger ever made. I personally really like them. I don't use them very much, but they are unique, and tuneable! There is no shell, so the room you are in becomes the "shell". The sizes are 12/14/16/20 and with the right heads (Remo PS3 on 12 and 14, PS4 on 16 and 20) they sound fantastic.

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Which reminds me of another miserable design by Yamaha...The HipGig kit. It seemed like a good idea, on paper, but, in reality, those kits were heavy and took up every bit as much of a footprint as a regular kit. All the hardware and half the drum!
I completely agree on those! And they were priced the same as Yamaha's high end drums!
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Old 10-15-2018, 10:20 AM
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Here's another one:

Remo Legero drums. It was the same concept as the RIMS "Headset" kits and the Arbiter Flats, but with very shallow shells. Rumor has it that the shells were so cheaply made that they wrapped the insides of them (As well as the outsides) so you couldn't see how awful the shells were.

They nested together and all packed up into two bags (one for hardware) and I believe they came with a brass piccolo snare. I remember Modern Drummer reviewing them and the reviewer who wrote the artcile said the bass drum would keep creeping away from the him and he would have to pull it back about every 2 minutes.
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Old 10-15-2018, 02:05 PM
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By far, one of THE WORST ideas a drum company made, was the arbiter flats drum kit. A drum with just a rim. Zero resonance, zero power, zero sense. And to add to the Ludwig absent mindedness, creating a replacement for the P-83,85 strainer with their new P-88, but not for P-32. Very "smart",Ludwig..
I think this brings us to the absolute worst idea, which was Ludwig's decades-long refusal to use drum key operated screws on their strains/butt plates...
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