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Old 04-04-2021, 05:45 PM
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Default Need help dating K Istanbul cymbals

Hello, I have been fortunate to own and play some wonderful old K Zildjian cymbals for many years. I have never tried to identify them but have lately been asked by other drummers how old they were. My supportive wife showed me how to use her kitchen scale to weigh them. I have a 21 and a half inch Istanbul ride that weighs 2,225 grams, a pair of 15 inch high hats (844 and 932 grams) and two older Constantinople cymbals (15 inch 1,372 grams), and 16 inch (1,575 grams). The two older cymbals appear to have the same stamp to me. I have labeled the photos with diameter and grams. Could someone who knows a lot more about these than me please let me know if the photos are decent enough to estimate a type/date? Sorry that I could not focus the little digital camera any better than this. I play these cymbals on either a little home made Be Bop set or an old Dixieland style vintage set. They are a lot of fun and blend well with newer cymbals. Thanks in advance, Joe
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Old 04-05-2021, 04:21 AM
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Default Re: Need help dating K Istanbul cymbals

First and second pictures: Intermediate Stamp, made between 1959 and 1966.
Third and last picture: Zildjian K Constantinople made between 1900 and 1910's/20's?
Fourth picture: New Stamp, made between 1967 and 1977.
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Old 04-05-2021, 09:23 AM
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Jmoll, Thanks so much. I don't remember where or when I bought the ride cymbal, but I have had it since the late 1970's. I had switched from playing rock and country to "society" combo music and jazz. It also works well for Latin tunes, but I have other cymbals with a louder bell sound for Latin (Matt Nolan ride). The high hats and two old K Constantinople hand cymbals were gifted to me. The hand cymbals work well when paired with modern Sabian hand hammered cymbals for orchestra work because they provide a lower and mid range to the newer hand cymbals. I usually keep the straps off of them and use them on Dixieland type sets where they are just an effect. My ears have really gotten use to the sound of old K's and I enjoy playing them in jazz jams. Thanks again, I really appreciate it.
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Old 04-05-2021, 07:21 PM
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yep
pic 1,2 Intermediate
pic 4 New Stamp
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Old 04-06-2021, 07:58 AM
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JDA and JMOLL, Thanks gentlemen, I really appreciate it. I also have an 18" with a chunk missing that was drilled out for larger than normal rivets. There is no stamp visible, it may be part of the missing chunk. I put three of those large brass rivets designed to hold notebook pages together (old technology there) from an office supply company in the cymbal and it sounds pretty good as a sizzle. It screams Istanbul K to me due to sound, hammering, bell, profile and so forth. It came from the two wonderful gentlemen at Olympic Drums and Percussion and I wanted to mention them as a great source for vintage drums and hardware and also cymbals. They might be overlooked as only a source for concert percussion but are definitely worth checking out.
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