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Old 06-16-2019, 12:18 PM
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Default Type IV old K Istanbuls

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Old 06-18-2019, 12:45 PM
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Now here's a wild stamp era- soundwise. Bill knows. the ol Type IV. a or b.

You know they look like type III's (agree? yes no?) but seemed to have been made out of concrete.
I call em mono-tone. (I have an 18 and a 16) and I hear the 20s and 22s..
Mono-tone.
Very much unlike any other era----even tho--- last of; that connection---the cup etc--- with threes.

Very strong mono-tone none of the "butterfly breath" of the III era. Unless I've not heard enough III's.. (I have one a 14"-- beautiful as top hh)

IV are strict stiff monotones- hard to figure why it was, with this era. Visually can't see why
But everyone of them seems same mono.

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Old 06-23-2019, 04:27 PM
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Shame (on Chad) we've lost track of all our Holic members- many European for example kalmarz here- has his (one of his) Type IV 22" up on bay..


https://www.ebay.com/itm/22-K-ISTANB...wAAOSwx95a9w8-


Yep. Chad broke up the band ..lol)

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Old 06-23-2019, 06:09 PM
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Shame (on Chad) we've lost track of all our Holic members- many European for example kalmarz here- has his (one of his) Type IV 22" up on bay..

22" K Istanbul old stamp IVb, 2345 grams, FOR SALE 3000 EUR, YOU CAN EMAIL TO kalmarjazz@gmail.com - YouTube

https://www.ebay.com/itm/22-K-ISTANB...wAAOSwx95a9w8-


Yep. Chad broke up the band ..lol)

Sounds pretty good on the short take. But it's all scribbled on, He wants top $$ for a scribbled on ruined cymbal.
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Old 06-23-2019, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: Type IV old K Istanbuls

He always asks a Lot; still a good guy; and I think he's Found and retrieved all the old Ks sitting in the Churches in Eastern and Central Europe. (somebodys gotta do it...)
Think he lives 25m from Transylvania;
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:56 PM
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He always asks a Lot; still a good guy; and I think he's Found and retrieved all the old Ks sitting in the Churches in Eastern and Central Europe. (somebodys gotta do it...)
Think he lives 25m from Transylvania;
With the big U.S. music rush in the 40's and 50's and 60's, Do you think there are more K's in Europe than the States ?
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:41 PM
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Default Re: Type IV old K Istanbuls

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Shame (on Chad) we've lost track of all our Holic members- many European for example kalmarz here- has his (one of his) Type IV 22" up on bay..

22" K Istanbul old stamp IVb, 2345 grams, FOR SALE 3000 EUR, YOU CAN EMAIL TO kalmarjazz@gmail.com - YouTube

https://www.ebay.com/itm/22-K-ISTANB...wAAOSwx95a9w8-


Yep. Chad broke up the band ..lol)
Hope it just a poor recording but I don't care for this cymbal. Can't hear the stick because of the overwhelming wash.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:17 PM
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Not an impressive recording at all. I just wanted to put something in the Type IV category. It's all messed up.

But if you know "IV" s at all you can hear the "IV" in that even with the stink recording... the type four mono-tone.
Even with a perfect recording- a IV alone- few are impressive; Get it in a band? And the Stick Sound is so dominant- you end up relying on it as your Time keeper- metronome- like few others.

IV's don't sound well alone but in a band- filled in- by the other instruments: Look out.
Very contained-stiff sound mono sound.
But that's exactly something to keep a group/band/ the music/ in -line..
Weird. Nothing like them.
I have an 18 and would be scared of a 20 definitely frightened by a 22.

Altho I would entertain a 20. 22 no way. You'd have to be driving an orchestra..

that's what IV are about

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Old 06-24-2019, 11:53 AM
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Default Re: Type IV old K Istanbuls

here's another one ( 2 soundfiles same cymbal) type IV can sorta hear the "mono tone" I call them.
https://soundcloud.com/user-42855952...pa2710g-offmic

they're just tightly- focused intensely unlike another K stamp
https://soundcloud.com/user-42855952...amp-a-2600gmp3

narrow bandwidth Potent intense just narrow contained stiff..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Zil...UAAOSwuTNcxoEk
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Old 06-24-2019, 12:00 PM
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You see, I figure there's "6" Sound -Types of old Ks. And they follow exactly the stamp. (When the stamp changed the sound (and build) changed.

New Stamps. Intermediates, Type 4s, Type III's.

Now Type I and II's I'm not as familiar and don't know how I's and II's "relate" (soundwise + build) to III's.

So either 5 or 6 consistent " Sound Types" correlating with the stamp (in itself amazing).

Which led me to a theory: thruout a Stamp Era- the same "team" or general "foreman"- built that run. For the years.
The Stamp " change" correlated with a "team" change with a slight different "style/approach"...

In other words after 2-3 years they "threw" the IV team out ( dang guys didn't show up on time- something like that- drank too much)
And a whole new group- maybe including foreman- maybe even including change of ownership of the Co. letterhead- and then that Style ( say Intermediate ran for what 6 or so years...
Then another- team change- stamp change- style change..

Within an era the cymbal were so consistent in build (sound details accompanying)

that it was like 6 different companies! from (what) 1940 to 1978..
Same Premises; but different people; for the "run" of that insignia/ Stamp..
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File this under " Why did the Stamp Change and the Cymbal along with it exactly" category.

that evolution could have been because, foreman's, team's, someone overseeing the operation, changed, simultaneously)
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"Within an era, they were so build consistent" .
Then that changes with an Insignia change. And the build rides that era until the next one.
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I can hardly explain the evolution- I, II, III, IV, Intermediate, New Stamp- any other way.
Or I have not heard - why the stamp change accompanied a build change- why didn't they "evolve' without a stamp change; or evolve in the "middle" of an Stamp era..

It didn't work that way; all these years we've been on the net; a IV or an Intermediate or any of the other 5/6 eras; - is the same no matter where one pops up around the globe.

Had to be 6 ---over time---different Shops (crews over time) under One Roof.
Either that or it was miraculous. Miraculous Timing.
Just like what their cymbals deliver. Perfect timing.

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