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Old 04-12-2018, 01:46 AM
Gerard Ball Gerard Ball is offline
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Default Zildjian cymbal ID

Hi. I’m in the process of selling my 22” Zildjian ride but have always been curious about the exact model. Has a large very faded 'K' on the top side but it doesn't look like any 'K' I've seen. Can anyone help? Thanks.
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1957 6 1/2" x15" Slingerland WMP Concert King
1938 8"x15" Leedy Broadway Standard
1937 8x14 Leedy WMP Broadway Standard Parallel
1947-53 14x6.5" NOB Ludwig & Ludwig Universal
...plus a bunch of mismatched Slingerlands that collectively make a pleasing noise.

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Old 04-12-2018, 03:23 PM
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Default Re: Zildjian cymbal ID

This might help:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-ga...html#SolidInkZ
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Old 04-12-2018, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: Zildjian cymbal ID

Looks like a K Custom. They came out in the late 80's in 16", 18", 20" sizes. They were heavier cymbals that were designed as crash/rides. They had a nice pronounced stick, but were fairly crashable too with limited spread. They introduced a 22" a year or so later.

They discontinued all sizes except the 20" by the early to mid 90's. Yours would have to be from the very late 80's or early 90's. If you can locate the engraved trademark, there should NOT be a serial number below it (these started in 1994).

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Old 04-12-2018, 04:04 PM
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Default Re: Zildjian cymbal ID

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Thanks for the link freddie. Gerard is in the same city I am, although we have yet to meet up in person. I'm watching this one Gerard, but I hadn't thought to comment on the model and series.

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Looks like a K Custom. They came out in the late 80's in 16", 18", 20" sizes. They were heavier cymbals that were designed as crash/rides. They had a nice pronounced stick, but were fairly crashable too with limited spread. They introduced a 22" a year or so later.

They discontinued all sizes except the 20" by the early to mid 90's. Yours would have to be from the very late 80's or early 90's. If you can locate the engraved trademark, there should NOT be a serial number below it (these started in 1994).

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And here's a little more detail with pictures and some more specific years.

That hammering looks K Custom. The machine and hammer face used for the early K Custom leaves a fairly distinct pattern. According the Zildjian's list of model introductions the very first Custom was before there was an actual K Custom series as such. It just said Custom on one K ride within the K series. The K series Custom was introduced in 1987 in 16", 18", 20". The K series Custom in 22" was added in 1988. The K Custom line itself didn't come in as a separate line until 1995.

Yours fits the ink pattern, the hammering pattern, bell style, unlathed and heavy constitution of the 22" K Custom. Here is the reference example I've got in my database:







Note that the Zildjian on the bottom has the little registered symbol at the end of it. That came in at 1993 (the year before laser trademarks in 1994). I don't see the on yours, so it should be from between 1988 and 1993 on present evidence. Unless there is a trace of an which just doesn't appear in the photo? The other decider is whether it has the laser stamp (1994) or the die stamp (1988-1993).

The bottom of yours has some bottom hammering which looks a bit different from my reference example. That might be an early/late distinction (if yours is indeed earlier) or it could just be part of the level of natural variation. For those of you who haven't seen it, I'm looking at it here:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Lis...?id=1594697366


I have yet to write up the K family to the same depth as the A family, but I have put up a preliminary page:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/NAK.html

which mentions the introduction years for the K Custom as part of the K series.
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:20 PM
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Default Re: Zildjian cymbal ID

Thanks to all of you, particularly Zenstat for your very detailed and helpful analysis. Good to know what I have!
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1957 6 1/2" x15" Slingerland WMP Concert King
1938 8"x15" Leedy Broadway Standard
1937 8x14 Leedy WMP Broadway Standard Parallel
1947-53 14x6.5" NOB Ludwig & Ludwig Universal
...plus a bunch of mismatched Slingerlands that collectively make a pleasing noise.
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:07 PM
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Thanks to all of you, particularly Zenstat for your very detailed and helpful analysis. Good to know what I have!
Glad to help out. I'd love to know if you do have a laser serial or a die stamped one, and if it is a laser stamp the first two letters of the serial number which give the year. And also if you can spot any trace of a little nestled in the tail.

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Which K Stamp? A DIY tool click here
Old K prices and weights click here
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Old 04-14-2018, 12:17 AM
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Ive had a good look at the decal and Im pretty certain theres no reg mark after the N. I have however located a small round factory stamp (see attached photo) but no serial number that I can see.
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1957 6 1/2" x15" Slingerland WMP Concert King
1938 8"x15" Leedy Broadway Standard
1937 8x14 Leedy WMP Broadway Standard Parallel
1947-53 14x6.5" NOB Ludwig & Ludwig Universal
...plus a bunch of mismatched Slingerlands that collectively make a pleasing noise.
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Old 04-14-2018, 12:34 AM
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Thanks for having such a close look. The die stamp puts it at 1988-1993.
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Paiste 602/Sound Creation research click here
Which K Stamp? A DIY tool click here
Old K prices and weights click here
Avedis Zildjian gallery and timeline click here
Old A prices and weights click here
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Old 04-19-2018, 02:05 PM
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Zenstat-where can I find your history of the Zildjian A line? Would love to read it......
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Old 04-19-2018, 04:16 PM
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In my signature there is a link to my Avedis Zildjian gallery and timeline, and a separate link to my reports on prices and weights. There are many other specific topic pages linked off the timeline and gallery including info on lathing and hammering and bell shape classification systems. What isn't there yet is my work on all the model ink and when different models were produced since 1929. That's still just sitting as a great pile of images of cymbals, ads, catalogs, etc, waiting to be organized. The bell classification is out of date because since the initial work was done it seemed like a three way bell lathing classification (coarse, medium, fine) rather than just coarse and fine would do a better job. I try to create simple classifications so people can apply them easily and reliably, but sometimes the cymbals won't let me.

gallery: http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-gallery.html
annotated year by year timeline: http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-by-years.html
bells:http://black.net.nz/avedis/bells.html
hammering and lathing: http://black.net.nz/avedis/hammering.html
prices and weights: http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-prices.html
holes:http://black.net.nz/avedis/holes.html

There are more pages, with links found in the gallery or annotated timeline. My favorite place to start is with the annotated timeline, which is basically an index to the gallery and other pages. The whole site needs a reorganization and better cross referencing, but that's always the way of things.
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Paiste 602/Sound Creation research click here
Which K Stamp? A DIY tool click here
Old K prices and weights click here
Avedis Zildjian gallery and timeline click here
Old A prices and weights click here
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