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Old 07-19-2013, 12:30 PM
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Default Re: New old stock A.Zildjian-Trixon cymbals.

oh, yes a comment about patina. ....To my knowledge none of these cymbals have been cleaned , either since they were new( 1960's?) or very near to that time.
All of these cymbals exhibit, some left over crust, that the lathe missed, from the tempering/annealing process as well as numerous little flecks of oxide or sulphide , where impurities lie , embedded in the metal. There are also lots of pocks of carbon or other detritous , revealed by the lathe and sections of minor discolouration. Had they been cleaned, a lot of this stuff would be gone.The colour of the metal is clearly that of oxidized bronze but they have been stored for years in an environment that excluded most dust and other airborne guck. These cymbals have patina, that occurs naturally over time as opposed to grime, oil, filth,sweat, earwax, snot , rye&coke,dust nicotine, or other airborne pollution that a considerable # of !!!don't clean your cymbals!! types would like to pass off as patina. These won't get cleaned but all of the above gets carefully removed from my cymbals. Anyone listening to them, would be thankfull---patina is o.k. but grime just dulls the sound.

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Old 07-20-2013, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: New old stock A.Zildjian-Trixon cymbals.

What a cool collection. I've never seen anything like it with the Trixon stamps. Good stuff. Great pictures and writeup also! Congrats! Very lucky to have them.
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Old 07-22-2013, 02:17 PM
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Default Re: New old stock A.Zildjian-Trixon cymbals.

Thanks,

Both a great historical synopsis and cool cymbals besides!

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Old 07-22-2013, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: New old stock A.Zildjian-Trixon cymbals.

thanks to both of you.-----i found the small size discrepancies surprising.i thought that A. Zildjian was a greatly controlled production by the 60's. but , it clearly wasn't that so.
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Old 05-11-2018, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: New old stock A.Zildjian-Trixon cymbals.

I have the a 18" version of this.
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Old 05-11-2018, 03:43 PM
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Default Re: New old stock A.Zildjian-Trixon cymbals.

Thanks for resurrecting this thread and to VDF.

This thread is brand new to me, so I hadn't seen it when I did my page on Trixon stamps last year. I also have an 18", but it is earlier than the late 50s cymbals shown in this thread (based on the Trademark stamps and other production clues). The years I give are based on the production eras of the cymbals themselves, and they line up with whatever historical evidence Calfskin has for the years.

http://black.net.nz/avedis/Trixon.html

The slightly oversized diameter of cymbals from the late 1950s is consistent with other Avedis Zildjian cymbals from the same production era which I've measured. That era seems to have slightly "generous" diameters more frequently than other eras. These also span the change in mounting hole size associated with the early (SSA) and later (SSB) late 50s small stamp era.

http://black.net.nz/avedis/holes.html

The little bit of oven crust left around the mounting holes is typical of the way the holes were left in the 1950s and well into the 1960s. I'm not sure what to make of the slightly triangular hole on one. We have associated that with a smaller hole (7/16") being enlarged post factory by some sort of tool. If a true NOS cymbal shows the same pattern then maybe we need to reexamine that explanation for some cymbals.

The same thing arises with the rivets on the last cymbal. They are not spread in the usual Zildjian factory style. The factory style creates a star shaped end:



So the rivets might have been added once the cymbals arrived in Germany.
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