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Old 03-05-2019, 10:12 AM
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Carl does a stupid cool solo in the middle of this video,...but...


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You can hear Buddy already doing that style in the 50`s


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Old 03-05-2019, 10:17 AM
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If you watch closely, Buddy`s hit`n so hard his kit`s walking away from him. The HH the FT`s the snare,...all wanna leave.
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Old 03-05-2019, 12:25 PM
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That's a pretty cool video, actually...I think so, anyway! Nice editing! Carl Palmer listened to Buddy Rich (as did we ALL!) and "allocated" licks (as we all did ....or at least TRIED to do!). Ian Paice was another rock drummer who had a heavily-jazz-influenced way of soloing. In fact, LOTS of British rock drummers of that era seemed to be exceptionally proficient technical players.

When Carl Palmer created that mega orchestral kit, that was when I got hooked. That kit, alone, was worth the price of admission! It blew my mind! ELP was really one of my favorite bands for a few years. It was the time of "orchestrated" rock...Bands like Yes, ELP, Todd Rundgren's Utopia, Frank Zappa, et. al., were all into technical playing -not just jamming on a guitar riff in 4/4. Tunes would go on and on for the entire side of an album....Thankfully, there were still some radio stations that played them so that we could all hear them! (Good luck at finding anything like that now!)

I'd almost go so far as to say that you really couldn't be taken seriously as a drummer UNLESS you had some kind of Buddy Rich thing (even if it was just getting mad at the rest of the band!....heh heh) together!
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Old 03-05-2019, 03:28 PM
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I'm not sure where this turned into a Palmer vs. Rich comparison. That was not my intention, only to show he can still tear it up on the.kit.
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:46 PM
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Yeah I don't see any indication of a Palmer vs Rich theme here....I only see people who know what they are talking about making comments that Palmer was definitely influenced by Rich, that's all. No competition is inferred. Rich was influencing almost every drummer back then. It's undeniable. Nowadays, his influence is more diluted by all the other great drummers, but drum set playing in general, will be forever connected to Buddy Rich.
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Old 04-01-2019, 06:06 PM
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Old 04-02-2019, 10:52 PM
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Sorry but IMO,, that sounds like someone taking out the trash cans....
I couldn't agree more. It sounded like a guy falling down a flight of stairs. It's another reason why I can't stand the average rock drum solo and refuse to play one. They're pointless. And completely lacking in dynamics, imagination, or musicality. That was a ridiculous gymnastics display of flashy stuff Buddy Rich did years ago. The difference was, Buddy knew how to play musically.

I would have walked out for a men's room break had I been there.
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Old 04-03-2019, 11:39 AM
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I couldn't agree more. It sounded like a guy falling down a flight of stairs. It's another reason why I can't stand the average rock drum solo and refuse to play one. They're pointless. And completely lacking in dynamics, imagination, or musicality. That was a ridiculous gymnastics display of flashy stuff Buddy Rich did years ago. The difference was, Buddy knew how to play musically.

I would have walked out for a men's room break had I been there.
Sure, that's the reason you refuse to play a "Rock" solo.
Anyone who can't appreciate what this man can do, has serious jelousy issues.

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Old 04-03-2019, 07:43 PM
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Sure, that's the reason you refuse to play a "Rock" solo.
Anyone who can't appreciate what this man can do, has serious jelousy issues.
https://youtu.be/ouJetiHNAv0
I have NO serious jealousy issues , pal. You're out of line.

I admit Carl has great chops, but solos like that are nothing more than pointless displays of drumming gymnastics.

You want to listen to ****e like that, then knock yourself out.
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Old 04-03-2019, 08:29 PM
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I have NO serious jealousy issues , pal. You're out of line.

I admit Carl has great chops, but solos like that are nothing more than pointless displays of drumming gymnastics.

You want to listen to ****e like that, then knock yourself out.
Ha, great chops, great stamina, great career, I suppose there's nothing that will impress guys like you. I've heard similiar complaints about Buddy Rich, who the heck do you like?
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