Vintage Drum Forum the best vintage drum forum on the Internet - Vintage Drum History - Vintage Drum Questions

Go Back   Vintage Drum Forum > General Drum Questions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 01-12-2010, 12:02 AM
NewDecade NewDecade is offline
Advanced Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sandy Creek, PA
Posts: 217
Default Re: Glossary of terms!

With my novice drum part questions, I sometimes feel like a troublemaker by questioning either the traditions of things or the ackerracy thereof.

In my recent search for a certain drum part (thanks Mikey - got it) - I ran into a good bit of confusion in my search for a bass drum spur mount wing bolt.

As I began my search on the web & ebaby, the terms used to describe this part were varied: wing nut, wing screw, wing bolt, T-nut...

I have only thought of it as a wing bolt - because it has wings & is "a threaded pin that screws into a nut..."

It is not a wing nut as some have called it : "a nut with a pair of projections..." as a nut is "a flat piece of metal or other material, typically square or hexagonal, with a threaded hole through it for screwing onto a bolt..."

It's somewhat understandable why some would call it a "screw" since it screws into the mount ["screw" as in the above cases, is the action "an act of turning a screw or other object having a thread."

9 times out of 10, a screw is "a sharp-pointed metal pin with a raised helical thread running around it..., used to join things together by being rotated so that it pierces wood or other material and is held tightly in place."

Am I being too particular on this?

With all of the parts that make up a drum, miracles of design & invention that they are - why might we be confused over screws, bolts & nuts? We handle them constantly in our refurbing, restos & cleaning.

If one was working on an airplane engine and asked for a bolt & was handed a screw or nut, wouldn't one scratch their head at being given the wrong part?

I guess we all get a little relaxed with these terms, but as the curators of such wonderful bygone devices as vintage drums, do the grand wizards of drummery have any wisdom for my (perhaps foolish) thought/question?

What is the proper term for that thingy????
__________________
...but when he played on his drum, he made the stars explode....

Last edited by NewDecade; 01-12-2010 at 12:57 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 01-22-2010, 02:51 AM
NewDecade NewDecade is offline
Advanced Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sandy Creek, PA
Posts: 217
Default Re: Glossary of terms!

- Understandable that no one wants to touch this, no doubt that the same sort of part from different manufactures have different names.

I was just curious what the actual name is from any of the long standing companies - in the interest of proper terminology, better communication & clarity.

In my digging around in the new parts realm - Pearl calls them wing bolts, Yamaha calls them wing bolts, Gibraltar calls them wing screws...

Another VDF fellow was seeking a ".... Ludwig wing bolt" for "straight telescoping spurs. Common on club date era sets" in the wanted section back in '08 - No one replied to his thread - but perhaps PM's him.

So, I guess that bolt & screw are both acceptable - to my nut brain NUT is not.
OK - that's it for me on the subject.

Silly I guess.....
__________________
...but when he played on his drum, he made the stars explode....
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 01-22-2010, 02:32 PM
GG Vintage GG Vintage is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Rancho Mirage, CA
Posts: 812
Default Re: Glossary of terms!

I believe your definitions of screw (sharp point, course thread), bolt (blunt end, fine thread) and nut are technically correct. You are also correct when you say that in common usage screw and bolt seem to be interchangeable. If you go to your local Home Depot you'll find "Machine Screws" (blunt end and fine threads) that perhaps technically should be called "Machine Bolts". It seems to be more a matter of size than description, i.e., a 1/4" will be called a bolt, 1/8" will be called a screw. I'm not sure at what size a bolt gets demoted to a screw. I think the earlier post regarding the confusion between Tension Rods (special purpose bolts) versus T-Rods (also special purpose bolts) is more important to drum restorers. There should be no confusion between screws / bolts versus nuts, winged or not.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 01-23-2010, 03:41 AM
NewDecade NewDecade is offline
Advanced Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sandy Creek, PA
Posts: 217
Default Re: Glossary of terms!

Nicely put GG!

Agreed that the earlier T-rod post is much more relevant to those in this forum.

- - I suppose that's part of the reason I posted this, in that with vintage drums of all sorts having so many specific parts, and we here being interested in the salvaging & restoration of drums for posterity's sake (as well as the love of the instrument & the business of buying & selling for some) - I'd think that the finer points of small (and necessary) parts would be a particular point of interest (i.e. attention to detail).

As you said "There should be no confusion between screws / bolts versus nuts, winged or not."

Dispelling said confusion would make moving through this really cool field that much easier.

Since this thread is akin to the Glossary of Terms (not just in a drumming sense - but w/ the history of vint. drums) - I'd think that nailing down the factory names of these small, yet brand specific parts, would be kinda important.

I've found that as I seek out parts for my '50s, '60s & '70s drums, that, while many parts are available,[like Slingy kick spurs for example, the 2 that I bought on eboy, while both Slingy & the same length, have different butt ends (the side you don't stick into your rug) - one is rounded & chromed, the other is flat-topped, conical & chromed] I think that those little differences should help us vintage nuts to:

more clearly zoom in on the manufacture dates of our drums
more accurately acquire the correct vintage parts
help us to better spot problems when purchasing - such as misinformation
listed about what were looking to buy - (i.e. misrepresentation, scams)

I guess that I'd think it to be natural to be constantly tweaking our correct knowledge of things. Vintage Drums is a fairly new phenomenon - previously it probably focused on tree stumps from Borneo

I get the feeling here, with so many true gurus on the subject, that the preservation and restoration of this heritage is being raised from a "trekky" like gathering to a higher art form. I come here to get properly informed on the subject. The people here are truly amazing in their collective wisdom.

Apologies to Spock fans
__________________
...but when he played on his drum, he made the stars explode....
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 02-04-2010, 10:22 AM
poppy79424 poppy79424 is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 2,224
Default Re: Glossary of terms!

Regarding forum terms:
When I first visited the forum I was designated as a guest. I joined the forum and became a member. As time went on, I became a contributing member. Then an advanced member, senior member, and now a Vintage Drum Guru. I know that the amount of post I post determines what level I am.
My question is how is this calculated? How many posts change one's status?
I have always been curious about this.
Thanks!
__________________
1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 02-07-2010, 12:00 AM
jonutarr jonutarr is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 17
Default Re: Glossary of terms!

Glad I read this
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 02-07-2010, 02:58 AM
Webmaster's Avatar
Webmaster Webmaster is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,145
Default Re: Glossary of terms!

Member 0
Contributing Member 50
Advanced Member 150
Senior Member 300
Vintage Drum Guru 500

I know there are forums that take this more serious, but I left all of the original defaults and just added Vintage Drum Guru.

I never really spent time on these designations.

David
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 02-07-2010, 10:30 AM
poppy79424 poppy79424 is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 2,224
Default Re: Glossary of terms!

Thanks! Just wondering.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Webmaster View Post
Member 0
Contributing Member 50
Advanced Member 150
Senior Member 300
Vintage Drum Guru 500

I know there are forums that take this more serious, but I left all of the original defaults and just added Vintage Drum Guru.

I never really spent time on these designations.

David
__________________
1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 02-11-2010, 05:42 PM
poppy79424 poppy79424 is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 2,224
Default Re: Glossary of terms!

Ok, What is a Sticky? a designation of a forum thread meaning??????
__________________
1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 04-24-2010, 03:53 AM
Eddie Mack Eddie Mack is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Mid-Michigan-Saginaw Bay
Posts: 19
Default Re: Glossary of terms!

SBP= Sky Blue Pearl, kind of a silver-blue color.

P ink-stamped inside Slingerland shells stands for wrap, whether it be pearl or sparkle, while M stands for laquer finish whether it be clear over the natural wood or color.

Glitter wrap is deeper and has more of a diamond-like shine (some having minute glass flakes [I've also known a few glassy-eyed flakes] embedded in it) than Sparkle. Although to my (maybe glassy?) eye, some colors look better in Sparkle. Corrections always welcome!! Eddie.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:03 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2009 VSDwebdesign