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Old 04-21-2018, 07:21 AM
Fenderbear Fenderbear is offline
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Hello, and thank you for this very cool forum! My wife has a little vintage/retro shop, and we recently got in a Cosmic Percussion Xylophone and an old Ludwig "Classic" drum. I am very much out of my league here when it comes to percussion instruments, but in my research I came across this forum and got a really good feeling for it- I've been on here reading (and enjoying!) for over an hour, I can't believe how many complexities actually go into these instruments! I am hoping someone here will be able to tell me a bit about what it is exactly that we've become the proud owners of. I thank you ahead of time for any info you can provide, and humbly beg you to bare with me, until now the extent of my knowledge would (PROBABLY!) let me tell the difference between a snare drum and a tom.
The drum that we've got is a Ludwig 'Classic', and has a Keystone shaped badge with a serial #- 639278. From what I've read so far, I believe this dates the drum to 1968. It has a red sparkle finish, and if I have this right, 8 lugs. It has a baseball bat shaped snare strainer (?).
I am a bit confused as to the- I guess housing?- of the tension rods, in our drum it seems to be a straight line from the top to the bottom of the drum, in the pictures I can find they seem to separate in the middle. I am attaching photos and, again, sincerely appreciate any information you all might be able to pass on to me, along with a ballpark on how much this guy might be worth! Thank you much!
Ps- I am having a hard time uploading photos, I have sent a message to admin for help and will attach them asap.
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Old 04-21-2018, 08:15 AM
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Hello Fenderbear...and to the forum! Attaching pictures of the image size can be a bit confusing for many. I'm sending you a PM (Private Message) with my email address. Send the pictures to me and I can get them posted for you. After that, our great members can assist you!

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Old 04-21-2018, 10:29 AM
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Here are the pictures from our new member, Fenderbear, which were emailed to me and resized and compressed to fit the VDF guidelines. OK members, time to weigh in!

-Mark
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Old 04-21-2018, 11:14 AM
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Obviously a marching snare from the 60's. Appears to be a "High Tension" model. Someone (or some school) painted or powder coated the hardware white. It would have only been available in chrome (or maybe nickel) at the time that drum was made. Value would not be a lot for any older marching drum and this one looks to be in rough condition. $100 would be a realistic figure and it might be tough to get that much. Maybe a bit more as the parts do have value if you can get the white paint off.

Cosmic Percussion was a cheaper line offered by Latin Percussion in the 1980's (and maybe beyond) so that would be where to look for more about the xylophone.
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Old 04-21-2018, 11:34 AM
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School Marching Drum Sir.
Probably painted for school colors.
And probably whacked on pretty good by the students.
I believe there is silver sparkle wrap under that red paint.
As previously mentioned, the rims and lugs look to be spray painted white.
The "classic" emblem you mentioned identifies the strainer/throw-off model installed on the drum.
Not the model of the drum.
The "Classic" strainer is the P-87.
It is missing the tension knob to adjust the toughness of snare wires.
see pic.
Marching drums do not command a high price for re-sale.
That is a project drum for someone who really would enjoy bringing a drum back to life.
So a restoration for resale would not really be worth it.
But, some of us just like a challenge bringing a dead drum back to life.

Yes, there are lots of parts and terminology to these things.
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Old 04-21-2018, 12:30 PM
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Thank you guys! This really is an awesome forum, with awesome members. I enjoy a project when I can find the time, any tips on how I might be able to take the spray paint off of the metal and make her beautiful again? I appreciate you all, especially Idrum4fun for your help posting pics! The 'Ludwig Classic' emblem appears on the bit of hardware that I've tentatively identified as the snare strainer. What I am learning is that not only are drums MUCH more involved than I'd imagined, but that they seem to be as customizable as any self-respectable muscle car...
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Old 04-21-2018, 01:04 PM
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KO & ggd have given a good overview.

There isn't much money to had in that drum and only slightly more if clean it up/resto it, however, if you're not a hobbyist looking to "donate" some time to the clean-up you'll likely lose a bit of value on the venture.

Just a summary of components to help you with your knowledge, you have a:
* 10"x14" shell wrapped in silver sparkle that has been painted over (as mentioned earlier).
* The drum has triple flange hoops or rims that hold the drum head in place.
* The drum has 8 lugs called, at the time, modern "High-Tension" type.
* The knob above the badge is to modulate an internal muffler or "tone control."
* The snare strainer (or throw-off) is a "Classic" type or P-87, which is missing a couple of parts (see the attached image).
-- The other end is called a "butt" designated as a P-34.
* The snares look to be "nylon" type from the picture, however they could be "gut" type upon closer examination.
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Old 04-21-2018, 01:46 PM
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Thank you Hoppy! It's always nice to make some cash, but something tells me that the real value here, for me, will be what I can learn through the process of taking on the restoration of this drum myself. From what you all have given me so far, I am thinking that this is the perfect "learning" piece- not too much monetary value to be lost or gained, but a WEALTH of knowledge for me to glean, and the chance to restore something that was once beautiful but "rode hard and put away wet", as they say, to its rightful splendor... Yes, I know that I'm probably being extremely optimistic as to what I will be able to accomplish, but if absolutely nothing else, I think I will enjoy the process thoroughly, and it seems I've found the right place to go to for advice when I get stuck, for sure! Can you guys clarify for me, are you saying that this drum started out silver? Or blue, as in the pics in the earlier thumbnails? The local high school colors are red and white, personally I don't think that justifies painting chrome, but that's just MY humble, and obviously- I'M HERE TO LEARN!
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Old 04-21-2018, 02:47 PM
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Circa 1850 paint thinner/remover would take that paint (most probably lead/oil based) right off, although it will require some major elbow grease, and a lot of care. You'll have to be extra careful for the lugs because of the chrome that's underneath the paint. The silver sparkle may have even been nicely preserved underneath the paint, so it could look like new once the paint is off. Good luck with the restoration and keep us posted with your progress.

cheers,
Rob
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Old 04-21-2018, 03:43 PM
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Be careful...it all starts with one drum...next thing you know you are renting a storage unit.
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