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Old 02-13-2015, 01:52 PM
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Default Re: Supra snare troubles and questions

I admit when I play mine in a loud rock setting you can't hear the 'loose' snare sound - we are not talking about sympathetic buzz here that doesn't even bother me, I , and I think JD 15 are talking about wanting a nice crisp snare response when you play strokes on the drum, it's just that no matter what you do to the drum - trying different wires, some different heads etc and differing tensions on strainer you still can't get a clean no rattle snare response. I'm starting to feel like a real old moaner . As I say I'm gonna try these custom pro wires tommorow. Apart from this I do love the sound of this drum though, mine has the early cob hoops too, so the seller said.
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Old 02-13-2015, 02:25 PM
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I think there is too much cannon between the heads of a Supra 14x5 for crisp snare and not the best choice. Maybe those 4" or pancakes, they sound more snare`ish to me.
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Old 02-13-2015, 02:47 PM
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I've never had one before and have not even heard another supra up close either, I like the slight dry sound of them, I've got an acro ( late 70s that one) all the good things they say about them is true.
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Old 02-13-2015, 09:03 PM
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Having said that it would be better with thinner cord arrgh! But realy I've never had this much trouble with a snare before. Stand fast JD15...
It appears the devil is in the details on some things. The puresound snares have different clips on their different types: blasters = pitched ends, customs = angled ends and custom pro = bent corners. Given this, I think I just want to go with something close to the vintage chrome wires that these drums came with (as stated here I this thread somewhere) and the Ludwig cord I just got in the mail today - which is thinner than what I have on the drums now.

I realize at this point, most people that read this thread think I'm a noob or 13 years old, but I just never came across this before. Like fret buzz for a guitarist, this is really annoying.
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Old 11-12-2015, 05:56 PM
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I believe the kids call this necro-posting, but I was on the forum looking for something and realized I never posted the revelation I had regarding this snare issue to wrap it up.

So....I was hitting the snare, and as it rattled on, I happened to touch the head on the rack tom and the rattling stopped. It is basically a kind of reverse sympathetic buzz going on, where I hit the snare and that makes the tom vibrate, which causes the snare buzz - weird.

I had a suspicion it would be tuning related, but was hoping it wasn't, cuz the drum tone that I have for everything is good. It is somewhat room-dependent and pretty much a non-issue at a gig, so I'll deal with it.
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Old 11-12-2015, 09:12 PM
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If the snare wires aren't set up balanced( laying absolutely flat and even side to side) this can cause excessive buzz...... Also try using a diplomat resonant hazy drum head this may decrease the buzz ( to my knowledge the original resonant head may have been more similar to a remo diplomat thickness then what you are using
I know for a fact these drums are not usually difficult to set up and usually perform very well so the fix may be easier then you think
Also these drums sound great with a remo ambassador reverse dot head for a batter try that also! Good luck ..dont get frustrated

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Old 11-12-2015, 09:23 PM
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New heads and new snares. Don't over tighten the bottom snare head. Supras seem to like a laxer snare head tuning. Never had a problem that way with either my supra or my super.
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Old 11-12-2015, 09:36 PM
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You're concentrating too much on your offense and not thinking about your defense. Maybe it's not the drum.
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Old 11-13-2015, 03:42 AM
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I have a few Ludwig Supras and they have been driving me nuts for a while now. Specifically, the snares rattle on and on after you hit it and I'm NOT talking about sympathetic buzz from other drums/instruments.

I have been trying different wires I have lying around - puresound custom, blasters and a no name 20 strand set and none seems to have any loose wires or bent that I can see. I have cords tying snares on two of the drums and plastic straps on the other.

So, to any Supra owners, I'm wondering:

1) What do you use to connect the snare wires (Straps, cord)?
2) How do you connect the snare wires with cord, is there a magic method of cords going over/under the clips first and knots on the strainer?
3) Any secret to the strainer adjustment when you put the wires on?
4) What kind of snare wires do you use?
5) Do snare wires stretch/wear out?

For reference, the drums I have are 70's/80's vintage 6.5" supras with p85 strainers and they are tuned in the medium range (85 for the top and 84 for the bottom, if you use a DrumDial). Heads are vintage emperor on top and ambassador snare-side.

If possible, I would like to avoid using tape on the head/snares or any Band-Aid solutions and figure out the problem. I'll try to post a video if that's possible, if it will help.

If you made it to the end of this post, congratulations, and If you can help you may save my sanity.

Thanks,
JD
For the past 20 some odd years , i have a method to adjusting my '71 Supra, however, as with any method for different people, it's all subjective..I've used my technique for very sensitive work in studio with great results, according to the engineers (buddies of mine ) that i've worked with..
First off, when installing new snare wires, (i use 20 strand) all heads are detuned to non resonant. I use Ludwig nylon chord and snare wires, but i sometimes use the plastic white straps for the butt end. I usually install butt plate end first, and this may sound strange to you, but i find it easier to adjust the throw-off end that way. Then chords go into the holes of the throw-off, with the throw-off knob half way down, with about an inch and half or two of the threading showing. When it's time to tighten the wires, i do this with the throw on the down (off) position, and tighten the securing screws when the snare wires are just resting on the resonant head..Once that's done, i proceed with my tuning, reso head always slightly tighter (higher) than batter.. Once i have my desired tuning range, i slowly adjust the tightness of the wires, leaving them slightly loose and not too choked up.. When the snare wires are too choked up, it not only makes the drum less resonant and less sensitive, but it can create an annoying "noise" that i think you're experiencing.
As for sympathetic buzz, that's a completely normal occurrence and should not be a problem.. A snare drum is made to buzz.. If it didn't, it would just be a tin can with a couple of nails vibrating on it. This method may or may not work for you, but whatever the case, i hope you get it sorted out. Good luck !

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