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Old 10-07-2009, 07:56 AM
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Default STAR drums and it's turn to TAMA in 1974

Hi there,

I am a vintage fan of STAR drum, as some of you may know. For me it's because STAR is the predecessor of TAMA and it existed for only a short period, a manageable space of time, I thought ...

In the last months I tried to collect and source out as much as possible about STAR, and the Net (as well as this drum forum!) is a great place to do these investigations. At TAMA itself there seem to exist no longer guys who experienced the STAR aera due to the time ever since passed by ... Furtheron: a thread which I started some months ago at the TAMA forum concerning STAR history is still without any reply from anyone ...

Once again, this thread is dedicated for STAR only.
On Pearl sets it appears that there happened similar things, but I neither want to mix this thread up with Pearl, nor am I very familiar with vintage Pearl drums. So, please, keep this place 'clean' and place comments for STAR drums, only! Thank you.

Now, what is for sure to me:
STAR started around 1965 producing drums. The name had to be changed into another (namely TAMA) in USA in 1974 due to legal reasons with the brand name 'STAR' in USA. So 'STAR' disappeared worldwide from that time on.
Now what happened - and strange to say: in USA only - was, that at that time also there appeared a lot of other names on drums coming from JAPAN (here in the forum called 'MIJ'), which had very similar - or let's better say: equal - features: SAME type of lugs ... of tom bracket ... of tom holder ... of damper knob, etc..
But some of the drumkits had OTHER type of lugs ... of snare strainers ... etc..

I made up my mind and stated for myself: these stencil kids (approx. late 1960s to middle/ end of 70s) were assembled completely in Japan and their fantasy names were also created in Japan, designed for the US-market only.
Maybe that there existed - besides STAR, Pearl, and perhaps Yamaha - a further and independant wholesaler in Japan who combined and mixed different hardware parts together - and sold them to the US-importers: some series under a special badge name shows lugs from STAR, others from Pearl, or from elsewhere in Japan (Taiwan wasn't an alternative at that time).
I don't believe that STAR itself (and Pearl itself) sold drumsets to the USA and combined own parts with those of the competition ... There must have been someone else who did those crazy things which ask us riddles today.

Some of the badges (see below) have the same shape of the logo: 'World's supreme quality - Made in Japan'. I don't believe that these similarities happened by chance. It is a family. That's not for sure, but I believe that.

For these badges I can say that they used to have similar/ equal hardware parts as e.g. lugs, snare strainers, damper knobs etc. like STAR. And these badges never appeared in Europe, so I talk of STAR and USA.

What is your experience, especially about STAR? What do you think?

Ralf from Germany
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Old 10-07-2009, 09:54 AM
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Default Re: STAR drums and it's turn to TAMA in 1974

I am also beginning to look at this line up as well, Ralf. I am beginning to think there may have been a separate foundry that cast all of the hardware and then sold it to the 2 bigger boys. That said, I have no real proof, just the mix seems to suggest this is the case. I do know that later, Pearl cast their own, as I have lugs on a snare that have the name cast in.
Now, to keep it "clean", I also think that many of these others were Star. I am almost positive Majestic is Star, I have only seen this type of hardware on Star drums. I am certain it is on some of the top line from 67. Look at the rail, that is on my set, and it is high quality stuff.
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Old 10-07-2009, 10:34 AM
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I just want to confirm what I have said concerning same and totally different hardware parts - all within one brand name, in this example it is 'Apollo'.

These pics are copies from the drumarchive and from this forum. You can see clearly that the snare strainer (and the lugs) on the left are types never used by STAR. On the right side - totally in contrast - it is indeed a 'STAR' snare strainer as the logo of 'STAR' can be seen on that part and the lugs are also STAR lugs!

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Old 10-07-2009, 10:47 AM
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Jonnistix, we're talking in the same language.

What makes me think that Majestic comes from such a dubious wholesaler is the pic taken from this forum here (below).

The arrangement of the lugs is not in opposite, like I've seen it ONLY and ALWAYS at STAR ... So to me this set includes hardware parts from STAR, but apparently it is assembled at another place ...

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Old 10-07-2009, 11:25 AM
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Jonnistix, we're talking in the same language.

What makes me think that Majestic comes from such a dubious wholesaler is the pic taken from this forum here (below).

The arrangement of the lugs is not in opposite, like I've seen it ONLY and ALWAYS at STAR ... So to me this set includes hardware parts from STAR, but apparently it is assembled at another place ...

Ralf
Mine are the same design. Is it possible that the wholesaler requested this set-up? I have seen it on other stencils, can't recall off the top what name, but different lugs.
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:55 PM
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Default Re: STAR drums and it's turn to TAMA in 1974

There was a big MIJ thread on Drumforum.org I believe and the topic of Apollo came up. I think the consensus was they had drums from both Star (such as the Sonor style lugs and the "Worlds Finest Drums" badges) and Pearl. I've long been suspicious that there was a third company as well because there are drums out there that exhibit features exclusively associated with either Star or Pearl but not both.

For that matter, what things would we say are exclusive to Star? I can think of those badges and teardrop lugs. What else?
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:38 PM
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'... what things would we say are exclusive to Star?' - Good question!

To me, it's - with the early STAR drums - a combination of all together:
shape of lugs AND position of lugs AND type of tom bracket AND type of tom mount/ rail consolette should be 100 % identical with STAR drums like pictured in the TAMA catalogues of that time.
If only one thing differs = then it's a stencil kit or even something totally different from STAR.

Typical for early STAR drums:
- that type of lugs similar to Slingerland's (left side).

Typical for late/ later STAR drums:
- types of the rail consolette (as pictured next) plus
- type of tom bracket (looks a bit like an emblem) plus
- type of tom mount (called "free'o'matic", similar to the Rogers' type) plus
- type of damper knob (the so called 'One Touch Tone Control') plus
- type of lugs (pic on the right, also similar to Rogers style).

In between there was a short time when the lugs resembled to the SONOR teardrop lugs.
As STAR seemed to copy different lugs styles (from Slingerland, Sonor, Rogers), my theory is: STAR drums can be established to a year due to their shape of lugs. As STAR's are copies, I simply should figure out the year of the originals and one or two years later the STAR ones would have appeared ... So that's then the date of the production of the respective STAR lugs.

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Old 10-07-2009, 04:44 PM
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That first lug, the Slingerland style, is the one that my Pearl made snare emulates. That is why I suspect there was an independent foundry that cast the hardware. I have seen that style lug on both.
Now that rial, the ends specifically, it is almost certainly exclusive, as I have seen it nowhere else but on Majestics and the top of the line Star products.
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Old 10-07-2009, 05:28 PM
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Found this on eBay:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...AMOTORS%3A1123
For auction is a very RARE, cool looking Royal Star Clear Acrylic drum kit made by Tama, circa 1970, in very good condition. I think that these were called Crystar from Royal Star
Thought I would add the pictures here for a more permanent record of this cool kit. Japanese Vistalites!
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Old 10-07-2009, 06:17 PM
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I am fascinated by this particular thread,even though I personally have no Star drums-but the set I posted does have a non-Pearl stencil muffler knob and escutcheon.Someone in Japan can straighten this quandry out.A worker or manager at the factory that produced these "hybrids".Who has access to a Japanese language conversion program?Maybe Pearl Japan website/Tama Japan website.
I did post a picture of my Ideal bass drum-the badge is the same.
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