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View Poll Results: What Wrap would you do on these 1969 Luddy Shells
Mod Orange 17 29.82%
Citrus Mod 14 24.56%
Psychedelic Red 13 22.81%
Oyster black Pearl (Ringo's fav) 7 12.28%
Blue sparkle (most sold back then) 8 14.04%
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:03 PM
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3M Is water based, We use weldwood solvent based at my shop constantly. I have bought a pallet of it before when I heard it was going up. it went from $55 a 5 gal pail tie $95 in a year. We use 3-4 pails a month. This restoration is important to me and I dont want any future complications. The drum restorer cumunity swears buy this 3m, so by gosh, Im gonna use it and make it work. I'll wrap the small tom 1st and get the hang of it before I do the larger shells and snare.


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I use contact adhesive often on the job. We tried to go 'Green" and use waterbase contact and the drying time was killing the jobs. Plus it does not adhere as well as solvent based IMO.Also if 2 parts dry at different times it makes it makes it more difficult to get it to stick. I have done 2 and 3 coats depending on drying time and material, sometimes 2 on 1 piece and 3 on the other half to make it stick. One problem with solvent is it will bleed through certain newer wraps and eventually eat at some newer wraps. I have not used 3ms yet. I used a neoprene based one. Is 3ms neoprene based?

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1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:08 PM
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3M Is water based, We use weldwood solvent based at my shop constantly. I have bought a pallet of it before when I heard it was going up. it went from $55 a 5 gal pail tie $95 in a year. We use 3-4 pails a month. This restoration is important to me and I dont want any future complications. The drum restorer cumunity swears buy this 3m, so by gosh, Im gonna use it and make it work. I'll wrap the small tom 1st and get the hang of it before I do the larger shells and snare.

The waterbased cement I use is neoprene rubber based. I was wondering if they all were. Does it say anything on the can or jar? I would use the 3m also. I would think 99% of builders do nowadays.

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Old 12-13-2010, 01:32 PM
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Ok here's what the back of the jug says:
Application: Apply a uniform, generous coat of adhesive to both surfaces with a
nylon brush, roller (texturing type), or spray. One coat is usually sufficient on most
surfaces. Dull spots when dry indicate insufficient adhesive. Very porous material
may require more than one coat. (Allow adhesive to dry completely between
coats.) A uniform, glossy film indicates sufficient adhesive.
Sooo.... should it be glossy or dull when its ready to stick?
I tried the hibond water based on my ludwig marching snare and it was a disaster. I ended up having to remove all the glue from the shell and the wrap and went ahead and used the solvent based we use at my shop.
Consider it a semi-gloss when dry.....if you look at the wrap under lights closely, you'll be able to tell where spots were missed if applying with a foam brush. If you are spraying, not as much to worry about. However, with that said, I've never sprayed the stuff before....soooo.....
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:36 PM
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The waterbased cement I use is neoprene rubber based. I was wondering if they all were. Does it say anything on the can or jar? I would use the 3m also. I would think 99% of builders do nowadays.

Cheers,BigE
I believe the 3M is latex based.....so if you are allergic to latex, I would wear some protective gloves. I'm not so I never bother with gloves, it washes off so easily when wet anyway.

I know that the new Leedy company uses the 3M Hibond waterbase.......but they use the green tint, I think their theory is its easier to tell if you have complete coverage when its all green. Precision only sells the "natural" tint. Both work equally well, its just a color tint difference.
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Old 12-13-2010, 07:26 PM
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I thought about sprayin it on. We use a binks 2 gallon paint pot at the shop to spray the flamable adhesive on. We also have several quart paint guns.You can buy a quart paint gun for $19.95 at harbour freight tools. It works very well for what we do, but I am thinking that spraying this glue on might not stick to the wrap as good as brushing it on. Adhesive does not stick to slick surfaces as well as it does to absorbant surfaces. Sorta like paint. you always scuff up what your painting before you paint it so the paint will stick better. I may scuff up the back of the wrap with a scotch pad before i apply the glue. I will experiment with spraying it on. yes the green die makes it easier to see where you have sprayed, but in my business the colored adhesive tends to bleed through fabric and foam and my screw up the whole job, so we use natural exclusively.
I ordered my Citrus Mod from Sams today. I better get my a$$ busy polishing!!!
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1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:57 PM
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I got all my lugs, inserts, and claws polished today. Ok, I cheated. I took them to work with me and went by lowes on my way to work and bought another polishing wheel and some polish and installed the wheel on one of my grinders at the shop. I polished a few and then turned it over to Al. He's a lead Guitar player and has a band. He went to work for me a few weeks ago. he was more than glad to do it. I edcucated him a little about vintage drums and which lugs are what etc..... He did a great job. it took him about 7 hrs to get them all polished. 7 X $8.50=$59.50 I'm thinkin about taking all my spare lugs to work and let him polish all of them lol. here's before and after pics........

P.S. I know that a polishing wheel is probably cheating also
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1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:54 AM
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Got my rims all polished yesterday. A few of them were pretty rusty. Im not sure if I want to replace them or not. I have a pile of rims hanging in the garage. I have a 12-13-16 rims from my 69 silver sparkle kit. Just cant decide if I wanna use them on something else. All I really lack is restoring the wood hoops. This kit came with one original hoop with the 1/2" inlay groove and one hoop without the inlay groove. I got the other hoop along with the snare lugs from my Old Kentucky Drums. That guy is easy to deal with and very reasonable too. I got some tom brackets from Blairndrums and they were already perfect and already polished. I also already got my heads as well. Im going with clear pinstrip heads on top and ebony ones on the reso sides. I like the clear heads because I can see the shell interiors.. The kit came with the ebony heads...
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1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
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Old 12-17-2010, 10:55 PM
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I Got my Citrus od wrap from jammin Sam today. I took all my shells down to the shop. I have had my glue in the house ever since I got it. I didnt want it to freeze out in the garage. It got down to 20 something last night. It was 80 here wednesday. I am going to wrap the shells at my shop. It has a good heater. And I may experiment with sprayin' this water based glue. I left the wrap, shells, and glue in my office. They will be much warmer that way.
Most adhesives I have encountered work better in a warmer inviroment.
Set up quicker etc....... And so do I!!!
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1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!

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Old 12-19-2010, 12:56 PM
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Ok, Im on my way to my shop to wrap my sshells. I'll report back later.
Wish me luck!
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1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
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Old 12-19-2010, 08:29 PM
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ok I got em wrapped! I took videos. I have been home long enough to wach the videos. As soon as I get them on YouTube Ill share, but heres pics
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1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
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