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Old 04-13-2019, 05:12 AM
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Default Re: Forensic analysis of the damage on a 22" K. type IIa

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I forgot to mention that while I was there the very first vintage A that I found that it had a trademark type variant that I've never seen before...a true one off; it's a trans of stamp variant, but with larger font for all three of these: the "Avedis Zildjian", the "Genuine Turkish Cymbals", and "Made in U.S.A." In addition the Arabic script is a uniquely different design than any other that's been seen before. This was of a completely unexpected discovery. So just when I thought that I've seen everything, Then I find that there's yet some more.
Do we get to see it? Was the Ottoman script anything like this one?



This one has a few other unique attributes which I haven't seen elsewhere like the diameter (14), and the size and positioning of the AVEDIS, and the all caps CO. which is way ahead of its use in the 80s. But in this early version it is & CO. This cymbal also has a signature on the underside of the bell.

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Old 04-13-2019, 10:46 AM
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Thanks for the interest in this cymbal! It was great to meet Bill and thank him in person for his amazing contributions and research towards understanding the history behind these wonderful instruments we are obsessed with. It was particularly fun to discuss things like "old stamp type 2a" and "type 4b" with the guy who actually identified and came up with the terminology that we all use!

I was very lucky to have found this particular cymbal at Maxwell's and was able to get a "players" price, due to the extensive damage. It is luckily still very playable, and still sounds wonderful, as old stamps tend to do. Here is a much better and more recent video I did to demo this cymbal:


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Old 04-13-2019, 11:57 AM
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Do we get to see it?
I'd love to show you but I'm unable to post my photos here since I began using My Drive (Google Drive) as my picture hosting site. It's the "https" format that's causing the problem. I contacted the webmaster about my problem but got no response from him. Have you any suggestions for a free (I'm cheap) photo hosting site that uses "http" type format? If I can solve this apparent glitch then we can see what I have and compare these two.
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Old 04-13-2019, 02:49 PM
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Imgur may work for you.
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Old 04-13-2019, 03:43 PM
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The owners of the site prefer that you use the attachment system so the files are preserved long term. The attachment system is tolerable (just) but you do have to meet the file size restrictions. I have my own permanent secure storage via my own domains and web sites, so I don't have experience with other services like imgur. But I'm sure we all remember the meltdown of photobucket which caused lots of photos to disappear from older posts. Some are back now. I suspect photobucket had to restore the capability they had removed or face extinction. But a thread without the images is often not a lot of use. For example:

www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=46652

where we see that in the absence of images you can line up all the experts and you would still not reach a conclusion.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:13 AM
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Default Re: Forensic analysis of the damage on a 22" K. type IIa

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I'd love to show you but I'm unable to post my photos here since I began using My Drive (Google Drive) as my picture hosting site. It's the "https" format that's causing the problem. I contacted the webmaster about my problem but got no response from him. Have you any suggestions for a free (I'm cheap) photo hosting site that uses "http" type format? If I can solve this apparent glitch then we can see what I have and compare these two.
I was able to post to this site using a Google Drive photo.
I did download it to my computer first and use that file for posting
Hope it works for you, too
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Old 04-14-2019, 12:41 PM
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I was able to post to this site using a Google Drive photo.
I did download it to my computer first and use that file for posting
Hope it works for you, too
Kev
If you're using a photo from your computer's file in order to post a photo, then what's the point of using Google Drive in the first place? Yeah, sure I'm able do that too. But you're completely missing the point here.
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Old 04-14-2019, 07:54 PM
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Default Re: Forensic analysis of the damage on a 22" K. type IIa

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Do we get to see it? Was the Ottoman script anything like this one?



This one has a few other unique attributes which I haven't seen elsewhere like the diameter (14), and the size and positioning of the AVEDIS, and the all caps CO. which is way ahead of its use in the 80s. But in this early version it is & CO. This cymbal also has a signature on the underside of the bell.

Did AVEDIS stamp that 14 into the cymbal. I don't think I ever seen that before.
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:23 AM
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Default Re: Forensic analysis of the damage on a 22" K. type IIa

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If you're using a photo from your computer's file in order to post a photo, then what's the point of using Google Drive in the first place? Yeah, sure I'm able do that too. But you're completely missing the point here.
Yep, it's a bummer Google Drive doesn't suit all our desires at the moment, but until it does, that is what we are stuck with.
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:53 AM
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Yep, it's a bummer Google Drive doesn't suit all our desires at the moment, but until it does, that is what we are stuck with.
What? Read much?

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