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Old 11-10-2012, 09:01 AM
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:13 PM
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Roach was an inventive genius on the drums. Bruford takes the idea and elaborates on it beautifully. Bonzo just takes the riff to a whole other level.

Here's Morello's 'take' on the same kind of waltz triplet idea that Max based his solo on...


Excellent comparison of individual style and creativity. Thanks for posting those. Great to hear them side by side like that. It's the ostinato between the bass drum and hi-hat that ties it all together. Great way to build any solo. The way the triplet figures on the drums dance over the steady, boom, chick, boom, chick ostinato of the bass and hats is a thing of beauty.

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Old 11-10-2012, 02:17 PM
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And Ari Hoenig takes five to the waltz as a tribute to both Max Roach and Joe Morello:

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Old 11-10-2012, 03:58 PM
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Hey Zen, did you catch how Ari has combined Max's 1, 3, boom, chick, boom, chick, ostinato with Joe's pure waltz, boom, chick, chick, boom, chick, chick.

Ari alternates between them, boom, chick, chick, boom, chick / boom chick, chick, boom, chick, he combined them! Creative stuff.

There's just something really powerful and rhythmical about the sound of triplet patterns laid down over a strong waltz ostinato on the bottom end. It just swings real hard. I love that stuff. Thanks for posting the Ari clip. Excellent example and fits the theme perfectly.

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Old 11-11-2012, 02:36 AM
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For anybody who has no idea what we're talking about... here is a great introduction to the -basic- waltz pattern (jazz) that is being discussed. I hope it turns some players on to learning and experimenting with these great kit patterns. It's all based on triplets, so just count in three's until you get the feel internalized. Enjoy, hope this helps some guys to learn and explore something *new. (*Old)


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Old 11-11-2012, 03:30 PM
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For anybody who has no idea what we're talking about... here is a great introduction to the -basic- waltz pattern (jazz) that is being discussed. I hope it turns some players on to learning and experimenting with these great kit patterns. It's all based on triplets, so just count in three's until you get the feel internalized. Enjoy, hope this helps some guys to learn and explore something *new. (*Old)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppuJ0Eby_Po

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Great vids!! I can listen and look at this stuff all day and night! Nice Rogers Snare . Love champagne sparkle. Why the tom holder? Maybe some other model other than a Powertone?

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Old 11-11-2012, 07:08 PM
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Ha! Hooked one!

Check this out Ed. The jazz waltz rhythms are just fun stuff to mess around with on the drums. No matter what style of music you play, knowing this stuff will make you a better drummer.


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Old 11-11-2012, 10:45 PM
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What inspiration! All of these videos are new to me. Thanks for posting them.

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Old 11-12-2012, 01:32 AM
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One of the important side benefits of practicing these types of patterns is; you learn 'limb independence.' Playing one rhythm with the right hand on the ride, comping with the left hand on the snare/toms, another rhythm (left foot) on the hats and a fourth (right foot) on the bass drum.

Most drummers will learn to play a '*fixed repeating rhythm' (*ostinato - listen to the Max Roach solo again,) on the bass and hats while the hands add all the color/variation on the brass and the kit. Not easy, takes time and practice, but once you get it down, even a little, it will greatly improve your ability on the kit regardless of what style music you play. You'll be a better drummer. I haven't mastered all this stuff myself, I'm not a jazz drummer. But... I know how to play it! If I ever had to do a jazz gig, I'm solid enough on all the basics to do a good job and put in a credible performance. Just takes time and some work. The payoff for all that work is -confidence- behind the kit, knowing that no matter what anybody throws at you musically, you'll be able to handle it and to lay down a solid basic groove.

Worth the time and effort to learn. Something new to add to your practice routine.

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Old 11-12-2012, 05:51 AM
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Olympass - Sorry for hi-jack bro! Opportunity to 'teach/share'... I went for it.
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As far as I'm concerned, you guys have only enhanced it! Love everyone's input. Thanks!
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