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Old 05-21-2017, 09:52 PM
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Ok no photos yet. Maybe not ever. Just wanted to share my adventure.

I've wanted a SS for a long time. The concept just seems to make sense to me. Last week I finally got one.

When I opened the box I was initially pleased. Decent cosmetics and only one bumper missing.

Did some googleing and got the mechanism all figured out. One side I dialed in perfect. The other side the snares come off the head. I don't ev n have to play it to know it'll buzz like a motha

More googleing identified my problem- the missing bumper allowed the strainer to get bent. I may. E able to straighten it but beast to have parts on hand.

So I ended up buying another one. That one has one of the snare tension rods spinning in the plate- it should be fixed (pressed in). Otherwise it looks fine. But who knows for sure.

Anyway my plan is to make two drums out of two drums: one to keep and one to sell. Both will work well but the best cosmetics will stay with me.

Let's see how this goes...

Anyone interested in a B/O SS Snare?
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:20 PM
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Second drum incoming....
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:25 PM
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Default Re: B/O super sensitive project

Will there be a pic of the one you are selling ?
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:42 AM
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Yes, once it's ready.

And it will be fully, correctly, functional, (or I won't sell it!)

Since it's my project, I'm selfishly keeping the best cosmetic bits on the one I keep, but honestly it will look great because I'll be doing a full tear down and detailing regardless.

EDIT=> I also have a really rough looking keystone shell that I could glass bead and either paint or clearcoat (if it looks OK) which would look something like and Acrolite shell I imagine. The shell is completely bare now (no badge either) but it is clear that it was a keystone badge. I'm not certain right now if it's a pre- or post- 1968 shell yet. Just throwing that out there.
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Old 05-30-2017, 08:27 AM
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Ok guys!

I received a second one, so I can make myself one nice one.

I need some parts, which I can get new for short money but I need (well, would like) new Ludwig heads for it. An x-thin clear snare side head and a coated top head, like an ambassador I guess. Maybe a diplomat weight would be better. Let me know what you have for heads please!

I'm still planning to let one go when I'm done.

And here's some pics.
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:44 PM
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Found some f these resonant heads by they are expensive for old stock from the 70's-80's.

Nobody has any they're willing to part with?

I may end up with a diplomat resonant and coated ambassador on top.
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Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Oak (6X13!); DW collectors 5-1/2X14 maple; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
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Old 05-31-2017, 06:59 AM
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Default Re: B/O super sensitive project

I've used all of these heads on Super-Sensitives with good results:

Batter - Remo Coated Diplomat, Remo Coated Ambassador, Evans Orchestral, Evans Coated G1, Ludwig Medium Coated.

Resonant - Remo Hazy Ambassador, Remo Ambassador No Collar, Evans 300, Evans Orchestral 200, Ludwig X-Thin.

My preferred setup is Ludwig Medium Coated over Ludwig X-Thin Clear

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Old 05-31-2017, 09:29 AM
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Thanks pressroll.

If I go with Ludwig heads,I'd like to have the 70's version. The current heads have the 60's logo, which is cool for a 60's kit, but what about me? I found some NOS heads (well, resonant ones anyway) but I'm going to see how the one I have is. I should have it off today. I also like the look of the crystal clear resonant head. We probably had that resonant head (or the older one) on the Supraphonic we had in high school. That drum sounded good no matter what sort of abuse it received (and it received it constantly!)

From your list, it looks like you never ran a diplomat resonant. Would that be close in thickness to a Ludwig X-thin resonant?
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Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Oak (6X13!); DW collectors 5-1/2X14 maple; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
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Old 05-31-2017, 10:40 AM
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The Evans Orchestral 200 is a 2 mil thickness head. I have found that the diplomat weighted snare side head tends to dry and focus the sound. Really good for articulation bad for overall body and tone. If you want your snare to have some ring and body to it you need to stick with a 3 mil weighted head.

As a side note, I am not sure what thickness the Ludwig X-Thin head is. The biggest benefit of this head is the low collar which will allow the resonant rim to sit higher in relation to the shell. This will allow full disengagement of the Super-Sensitive snare mechanism without contacting the bottom of the snare gate on the rim.

Here is a Q&A from Jack Lawton's site about snare disengagement: http://www.lawtondrum.com/misc/ludwi...releasing.html
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Old 05-31-2017, 04:06 PM
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Default Re: B/O super sensitive project

The mechanism seems to be quite simple. Once the cast parts are set correctly the system is virtually silent. I like it.

I have various issues with the throw on both drums but I hope to make one good keeper and one working drum for sale.

By the way, are these the correct lug screws?
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