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Looking for cymbal options to replicate 60s and 70s sound!

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Hi all,

New to the forum. Just wanting to ask what everyone is using these days to get a good 50s & 60s sound from cymbals. I'm in an instrumental band and we play a lot of surf instrumental, I want a nice jazz sound from my cymbals and unless paying out, can only seem to get a hold of big heavy cymbals (particularly the ride) that produce a loud ear shattering rock sound. I want thin jazzy light cymbals and would love any suggestons/reccomendations on cymbals that get that sound without breaking the bank!

Thanks in advance

Posted on 8 years ago
#1
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Welcome any mid 60' A pies will work into early 70's

Gary

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
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Posted on 8 years ago
#2
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Welcome to VDF

I'd say the best way to go is to look for used 50s & 60s cymbals. If it is Avedis Zildjian cymbals you are after then I've illustrated Bill Hartrick's timeline to make it easier to tell which cymbals are from that period. I'd look at the late 50s and 60s.

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-gallery.html#small

There is a price premium which goes to the mid 40s - mid 50s (Trans stamps) and if you are after less expensive, then late 50s and 60s is indicated. You can also go for 70s if you prefer, although later in the 1970s the weights were starting to creep up and you need to focus on lighter ones given your description of what you are looking for.

I've compiled sales data so you know what to expect to pay, and weights so you know about the weight distributions to expect.

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-prices.html

If Paiste 602s take your fancy, I've done some price research in that area as well although that page is much older and not as modern looking.

http://black.net.nz/paiste.html

Enjoy the hunt.

Posted on 8 years ago
#3
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I would check out Dream Cymbals.

Their flagship line is the "Bliss" series, but those might be a little too thin and dark for surf rock, but their "Contact" series might be right up your alley. To me, the Contact series are a lot like 70's A. Zildjians, as far as the look and the sound, except all 100% hand hammered.

Dreams are also affordably priced. Lower than current A. Zidljians.

They have sound samples on their website. The link below is to the "Contact" page, but check out all of their lines.

https://dreamcymbals.com/products/cymbals/contact

Like zensat said: "Enjoy The Hunt..................."

Posted on 8 years ago
#4
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I agree that the dream cymbal range is very good and the vintage bliss is very close to 60's sounds.

Personally I have three sets of cymbals with Dream Contact and Energy as my modern sounding cymbals.

For 50's / 60's a have numerous Super Zyn cymbals and for 70's the Super Zyn 5 stars.

Posted on 8 years ago
#5
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From thehighwinderssurf

Hi all,New to the forum. Just wanting to ask what everyone is using these days to get a good 50s & 60s sound from cymbals. I'm in an instrumental band and we play a lot of surf instrumental, I want a nice jazz sound from my cymbals and unless paying out, can only seem to get a hold of big heavy cymbals (particularly the ride) that produce a loud ear shattering rock sound. I want thin jazzy light cymbals and would love any suggestons/reccomendations on cymbals that get that sound without breaking the bank!Thanks in advance

Do what many of us have, just buy used 50-60 A's. There are plenty around. That's pretty much your only choice if you want to get the sound right.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 8 years ago
#6
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From GaryNattrass

I agree that the dream cymbal range is very good and the vintage bliss is very close to 60's sounds.Personally I have three sets of cymbals with Dream Contact and Energy as my modern sounding cymbals.For 50's / 60's a have numerous Super Zyn cymbals and for 70's the Super Zyn 5 stars.

I've got a 20 and 22 Bliss and they don't sound anything like my '50s As. And while they are good cymbals at an extremely reasonable price, their limitations become apparent when directly compared to the real deal.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 8 years ago
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Oh my, Zildjian have just released a range of Avedis Cymbals that are off the chain. They have so captured that old sound and feel. I have a 22" Ride that is beautiful.

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00's DW Collectors Broken Glass
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Posted on 8 years ago
#8
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From geckobeats

Oh my, Zildjian have just released a range of Avedis Cymbals that are off the chain. They have so captured that old sound and feel. I have a 22" Ride that is beautiful.

Since there are problems with ambiguity in naming conventions, I presume you mean the A Avedis series which was released in 2016 and targets the 1950s sound.

https://www.moderndrummer.com/2016/10/video-demo-zildjian-avedis-series-cymbals/

In contrast to the 2013 re-engineered A Zildjian Series which targeted the 1960s sound.

I'm sure that we all know the differences and the years of release. But I'm not sure that casual visitors who may come upon this thread will automatically understand "have just released" in proper historical context.

Posted on 8 years ago
#9
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Thanks for the clarification zenstat. A casual visitor.

Posted on 8 years ago
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