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Old 04-02-2017, 07:34 PM
Remi Remi is offline
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Default Ludwig Pioneer. Water damage

Hey all, new to the forum (as a registered user) but I have been coming to get some answers from you guys over the past few years.
Apologies if any of the things I'll ask have already been asked before.

I should say that although I have been drumming for 20 years, and been doing a lot of woodworking over the past 5 years, this would be my first go at trying to restore a shell.

I picked up a 61-63 Ludwig Pioneer yesterday knowing that it had suffered some bad water damage over the years.
The shell itself had some mold on the inside, and most of the metal was pretty rusty.
I managed to get the 2 point throw off and butt plate off with a lot of patience and some (actually a fair amount of) lubricant.
BUT, the washers are still "glued" to the shell because of the rust. Any recommendation, tips, advises?
I haven't tried taking off any of the lugs but I'm assuming I will face a similar situation.
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:54 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig Pioneer. Water damage

Lubricant ion the wood is bad. it soaks in.

Try an awl into the hole and wiggle it around til it pops lose. If they are recessed in, try hitting the awl/nail punch, straight down onto it.
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Old 04-02-2017, 08:21 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig Pioneer. Water damage

Thank you.

I had made sure none of the lubricant had made it onto the wood when I took the hardware off, so I'm glad I did.

I will try with an awl right now and hopefully I will get them off.
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Old 04-02-2017, 09:12 PM
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Thank you.

I had made sure none of the lubricant had made it onto the wood when I took the hardware off, so I'm glad I did.

I will try with an awl right now and hopefully I will get them off.
Take some white vinegar and mineral spirits (soda water) and put into a plastic squirt bottle (an empty bottle of windex, etc.) Shake the mixture and squirt directly onto the surface..Wait a few minutes and carefully try to pry it off.. If that doesn't work, wait longer. The vinegar mineral water mix should break down the rust and loosen them up. Don't worry about it rusting the metal further.. This is the exact mixture i use to remove rust from metal parts and sometimes i soak them in a jar for a couple of day.. The rust literally disintegrates into a reddish-brown powder..
When the water turns brown, you know the mix has done it's job..

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Old 04-03-2017, 06:36 AM
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Default Re: Ludwig Pioneer. Water damage

Do you mean spirits or water?
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:37 AM
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Default Re: Ludwig Pioneer. Water damage

Like to see some photos of the drum.
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Old 04-03-2017, 11:58 AM
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Here are some pictures of the drums before I started cleaning it. I also wondered what to do about the reinforcement rings/hoops, but that's a later problem. For now I'm gonna focus on the hardware.

(also any of you why the photo I uploaded which is saved in "portrait" format on my computer, uploaded as "landscape"? Or is it that every photo uploaded on the forum should be in landscape?
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:30 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig Pioneer. Water damage

jimorlando--

Water, like Club soda, or anything carbonated..
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Old 04-03-2017, 10:59 PM
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jimorlando--

Water, like Club soda, or anything carbonated..
Im glad you cleared that up, I was thinking miner spirits (as in paint thinner).

That drum looks pretty bad, be careful getting that hardware off because it appears to be the best part of the drum, the shell looks like it has absorbed a lot of moisture.
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Old 04-04-2017, 12:01 AM
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Im glad you cleared that up, I was thinking miner spirits (as in paint thinner).

That drum looks pretty bad, be careful getting that hardware off because it appears to be the best part of the drum, the shell looks like it has absorbed a lot of moisture.
Hey Jeff,

Managed to take all of the hardware off with a lot a patience. What would you think I should do about the shell? I was planning on stripping the inner paint to see how the wood looks; again this is not something i'm trying to sell, and the drum didn't cost me anything; it's just for the fun of it.
I can certainly send more photos but I would say, eventhough there has been a lot of water damage, the plies look "ok". The re-rings would definitely need some work though.

General question for all: Should I put all of the hardware in vinegar or just the bolts/washers? I was reading different threads today and I keep on seeing different things:vinegar, citric acid, WD40. I'm so lost.
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