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Old 10-19-2020, 12:31 AM
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Default Help please--paper tags, and what model is my Rogers?

Hey all! I have a 1973 Rogers kit with 12" and 13" mounted toms, a 16" floor tom, and a 24" bass drum. I tried looking in the Rogers drum catalogs, linked to from this site, and I had no luck identifying a particular name for the configuration. A Google search provided no help, either.

Also, this drum set didn't have the paper tags inside the shells when I got it. Is there a way to tell the difference between, say, a Powertone shell vs a Holiday shell, etc...? Being a Ludwig/Slingerland guy who never paid much attention to Rogers stuff, I am confused about this as well. Are there any sources online I could be pointed towards?

Thanks in advance for any help!
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Old 10-19-2020, 01:58 AM
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Default Re: Help please--paper tags, and what model is my Rogers?

No tags inside and '73 has me suspecting these should have the "famous 9/72" paper tags. They were about 3/4" x 3" approximately. They often fell off the interior. Look for possible glue residue or discoloration about that size inside.

Only '73 catalog set with 24" bd is Ultra Power but they had twin bd, flor stand for upper toms and twin floor toms so not your current setup. However you could order a 24" bd with the Londoner V set. Does you bd have twin tom mount on it? Would be Powertone model shell for that year.
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Old 10-19-2020, 09:02 AM
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Default Re: Help please--paper tags, and what model is my Rogers?

You want a name for your configuration. May I suggest Buford?
Drums could be ordered in the sizes a person wanted, and configured any way the person wanted.
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Old 10-19-2020, 02:43 PM
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You want a name for your configuration. May I suggest Buford?
Drums could be ordered in the sizes a person wanted, and configured any way the person wanted.
So, you're saying there are no named configurations for Rogers drums. Got it. Thanks!

As a Ludwig guy, I know that the old Ludwig catalogs listed names for certain configurations/sizes. If I were to say I had a Hollywood, a Downbeat, or a Jazzette, those are very particular setups. In the Rogers catalogs I looked at, they seemed to have very specific names, but no configurations listed, which is why I was confused. I suppose I'm still confused about why they even HAVE names such as Ultra Power VII, Londoner V, and Compact X in the catalogs, if they don't actually mean anything...
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Old 10-19-2020, 02:46 PM
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No tags inside and '73 has me suspecting these should have the "famous 9/72" paper tags. They were about 3/4" x 3" approximately. They often fell off the interior. Look for possible glue residue or discoloration about that size inside.

Only '73 catalog set with 24" bd is Ultra Power but they had twin bd, flor stand for upper toms and twin floor toms so not your current setup. However you could order a 24" bd with the Londoner V set. Does you bd have twin tom mount on it? Would be Powertone model shell for that year.
Thanks for the info! I will check for tag residue.

Powertone shells, you say? Okay. How would I know that? Is that just what they called their shells during this time? Again--I'm a complete Rogers newbie.

Yes, it has the twin Swivomatic mount on the bass drum.
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:32 PM
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I'm not saying that there were not names for drum outfits (sets). What I'm saying is that many drummers bought new drum sets for which they specified the drum sizes and mounting hardware rather than ordering a set of drums that was given a name pictured on page 12 of the current catalog. I was fortunate to live in the Chicago area where two of the most prestigious drum shops (Frank's and Bill Crowden's Drums Limited) would configure a new drum set from their huge inventories. Most of the drum sets that I bought over thirty years were never pictured in any catalog. Even the smaller music stores ordered drum sets for store stock that were not shown in the catalogs. It was sorta like this... "Hey Mr. store owner, I really like that Green Sparkle Slingerland set. But, I'd rather have an 8x12 tom than the 9x13 that is with it". Well, I can get the 8x12 for you. It will take a few weeks. But, take it as it is, and I'll knock off another $25".
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Old 10-19-2020, 04:37 PM
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caddywumpus!

All the above comments are correct, sir! While it's nice to have a catalogued kit, you could change anything you wanted with it. From that point on, it's not so much a catalog kit as it is a customized and personalized kit! But, if I had to make an educated guess, I'd say your kit is from the 9/72 tag era and was probably a Londoner with a larger bass drum. Even early 70's Londoner kits were still showing a 20" bass drum! As to the shells, as was mentioned above, they are all Powertone shells.

Enjoy your Rogers drums...they're great drums!

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Old 10-19-2020, 08:02 PM
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Catalogued kits ONLY for me! I couldn't care less what Joe Shmoe ordered from _________'s Drum Shop back in the day (even if anyone could order any configuration that wanted), because it's irrelevant, now. Having said that...IF Joe Shmoe were to have turned out to be a celebrity, then that's a different story. In that case, then his custom configuration would have been become collectible.

The named configurations and/or celebrity configurations are the goal for a lot of drum collectors. Also rare finishes are collectible -(in any configuration). Like, Citrus Mod....It wouldn't matter what the configuration was. It would still be HIGHLY desired by collectors.

If you've only got so much room in your house and you want to collect drum sets, then I'd say to save your money and get a catalogued, named configuration. Otherwise, you're going to be stuck when and if you ever want to resell them. If you aren't interested in collecting and just want some vintage drums to play, then it really doesn't make any difference.

And, yes, Rogers DID definitely name their configurations -as did all the major companies back then.
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Old 10-19-2020, 11:38 PM
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Default Re: Help please--paper tags, and what model is my Rogers?

Thank you guys! I appreciate the info--it clarifies things a bit, now.
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Old 10-20-2020, 08:48 AM
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O-Lugs is certainly entitled to his opinion even if he contradicts his initial pronouncement in the second sentence of each paragraph. I will politely disagree with him because I'm one of the many vintage drum enthusiasts (probably the majority) who doesn't share his opinion. If I see a 1966 Rogers Top Hat set configuration that I would like to buy with a 14x14 floor tom instead of the 16x16 pictured in the catalog, I don't obsess that the drum set does not match the picture on a certain page of the catalog. And, if the set I like has a snare drum in matching wrap rather than the generic-looking metal snare drum in catalog picture, that increases my desire for that drum set. Most--maybe all--drum catalogs include statements saying that the specs of pictured drum sets are subject to change and that any pictured drum set can be ordered with different size drums. So, a Londoner set ordered for a drummer by a music store with a larger bass drum can still be considered to be a Londoner.
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