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Old 07-10-2018, 02:29 AM
vyacheslav vyacheslav is offline
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Greetings,

The recent thread about the differences between Ludwig Atlas and Hercules stands mentioned some bad ideas from Ludwig. I thought I would start a thread so you could chime in about what you thought were poor decisions by various drum companies.

From the aforementioned thread, here were the bad ideas mentioned by Ludwig:

1. Riveting the wrap to the shell in the early 80's
2. Using the black plastic T-handles and nuts on stands
3. Swivel foot Atlas hardware
4. Discontinuing the L 201 Speed King Pedal

Again this is not to single out Ludwig, but a chance to sound off on all the companies "Bad Idea Jeans" moments.

I'll add a couple more for Ludwig:

1. Reissuing a new Acrolite snare for $400 when you can get a "real" vintage for one all day every day for less than half of that. Seriously, who is buying a brand new Acrolite at that price?

2. Modular tom mounts in the 80's. I don't suppose I blame them in a sense, because bigger and bulkier was better in the 80's, but still....You had your own, identifiable mounting system that had been working just fine, and then you went and copied Pearl and their horrible mounts? I'm glad they discontinued the Modular stuff. Ugly, bulky, heavy and sound killing.

A few more off the top of my head:

Slingerland and their, ahem, "specialty" wraps (Aztec, Denim, Leather etc).

Remo's PTS drums

Yamaha boom arms that were only held in place by a wing screw tightened against the solid boom arm. Even with a memory lock, these would ALWAYS come loose. I remember seeing Aaron Comess of the Spin Doctors once, and one of his crash cymbal booms would come loose and droop literally every song. His drum tech had to go and re-tighten the boom arm every time. Yamaha finally fixed this but it took them a LONG time to figure it out.

I'm sure I'm missing some obvious ones, let's see what everyone else chimes in with.

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Old 07-10-2018, 04:58 AM
Ludwig-dude Ludwig-dude is offline
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The recent thread about the differences between Ludwig Atlas and Hercules stands mentioned some bad ideas from Ludwig.
Actually this was an old thread from years ago that someone resurrected (not me), but I digress....



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2. Modular tom mounts in the 80's. I don't suppose I blame them in a sense, because bigger and bulkier was better in the 80's, but still....You had your own, identifiable mounting system that had been working just fine, and then you went and copied Pearl and their horrible mounts? I'm glad they discontinued the Modular stuff. Ugly, bulky, heavy and sound killing.
Actually they were copying Rogers, as was Pearl. Memri-loc came out first then everyone followed suit. To be honest, Modular stuff isn't as bad as you think. Modular, Memri-Loc, and Pearl style mounts were no more sound killing than the original Ludwig "classic" style mounts were, or the ones that copied them (Tama). Big & ugly hardware? How about the Slingerland Set-o-matic and Super Set-o-matic mounts? Wanna see how bad it was? Search Youtube for an Alan DAwson solo from the 70's. He's playing away on a rented kit (Slingerland) and the small tom just rotates and falls off mid song! Yamaha's system wins no prize for elegance in the looks and sound department either.
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:02 AM
Ludwig-dude Ludwig-dude is offline
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Continuing the theme of bad ideals......how about Pearl's Vari-Pitch drums......Roto-toms mounted over a drum shell?? Ugh! Tama's Gong bass drums? Pearl again with its over sized headed drums, much like Tama's gong drum? North and Staccato drums.....horn shaped drums? Come on! And made out of fiberglass no less! Simmons and their original SDS-V drums......a hard playing surface that will give you tendonitis quicker than.....well.....you can say tendonitis! LOL!
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:12 AM
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Ha, ha, the whole darn kit looked like it was falling apart, but he still played a great solo.
Notice the keystone supra.

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Old 07-10-2018, 06:29 AM
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Bad ideas can lead to rarity .... a Plus for Us... lol
Offered for only a year due to unpopularity, the Aztec wraps are consequently very rare...
Eye of the Beholder and all that...
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Old 07-10-2018, 06:46 AM
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Slingerland's GrandStands......weren't they *triple* braced or something like that? They could be used as jack stands for your car.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:52 AM
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Rogers Series II...………..
with composite shells and plastic lugs and horrible performance. Most didn't even arrive to the end user without being a disaster. I have never seen a complete set. They broke. it was like Popcorn in a microwave . Cost them millions. It might have been a success, but corporate changed the formula of the plastic. It drastically reduced cost and raise the profit margin significantly. On paper. In practice, it was a disaster.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:19 AM
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Slingerland's cardboard shells. Remo's composite shells and lousy hardware, almost all of which cracked, split of fell apart. Peavey's drums that looked like empty spools.
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:06 AM
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Rogers' ridiculously fat, ugly Memriloc spurs and FT legs...

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The hex spurs and legs were elegant and did the job just fine.

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Old 07-10-2018, 10:37 AM
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Light weight hardware......
In 1991 I used Tama backline hardware for a gig in Sweden.
The new light weight Tama cymbal stands would bounce away from me every time I crashed a cymbal.
They'd have moved a foot in one song!

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