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Old 04-19-2018, 10:28 PM
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Beautiful timbales, you have a treasure there. Correct me if I'm wrong but those timbales might have introduced timbales to the US, but since the late 1800's, in Cuba they used timpani's, kettle drums. Eventually they downsized to smaller timpani's and finally to the timbales as we know them now. Again correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't "El Indio" of El Barrio of NYC making timbales prior to them being mass produced by Leedy? Who was first, Tappan or El Indio? Do you have a set of El Indio timbales you could post? Sorry for all the questions, but "you the man" regarding timbales. Again, beautiful timbales thanks for posting it!
Butchie El Indio was before Leedy, He started in the early 30's making timbales in Cuba and mabe before. He was discovered Here in the states in early 40's> Here you have photos of timbales made By el Indio of Harlem.
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Old 04-19-2018, 11:30 PM
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Here to show those that are interested the set of timbales that began it all.

Back in the 1900 timbales were very far and few sets that existed. The ones made in Cuba all were in ruff condition and all odd sizes. Which made it dificult to find skins for them. The Models made in US were also small in size Wfl and Gretsch made ones that were small sizes 10/13 which they look like toys and had simular problems. In 1939-40 a gentleman that worked at the Henry Adler store on 42nd street Name Charles Tappan ( the repair, drum Teacher) of the store. Decided to make a set of timbales and standardize the sizes of the heads. The drums he made became an instant success, But then came the problem of manufacture and they at that time could just not keep up.

During this era the Leedy Drum company was looking for a set of timbales for their Line. Henry a smart business man make a deal with Leedy To rent the timbales design to Leedy Drums and history is done. These timbales today are the most sorted timbales in the world.

Here You have how the looked at the beginning. They used Radio king Parts on the timbales others were manufactured by Charles Tappan. Later in 1943-44 Leedy Changed lugs to reflect the Leedy name.
Who changed out the lugs on the one's pictured in the opening post ?
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Old 04-20-2018, 12:02 PM
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[QUOTE=OddBall;431579]Who changed out the lugs on the one's pictured in the opening post ?[/QUOT


OddBaLL That is an original way that many timbales came back in the 20-40's. Yet many other designs were made during that era of the 30's. In the late 30 a gentleman known as el Indio in Harlem NY changes the design to what is known today of the Lugs and in the mid 60's Martin Cohen improved the design of the Lugs used on the Cuban design timbales and also added one more lug making them 6 lugs. All cuban timbales came with 5 lugs
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Old 04-20-2018, 01:19 PM
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Cuco, those are beautiful timbales. Are they 13" and 14"?
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Old 04-20-2018, 01:34 PM
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Who changed out the lugs on the one's pictured in the opening post ?[/QUOT


OddBaLL That is an original way that many timbales came back in the 20-40's. Yet many other designs were made during that era of the 30's. In the late 30 a gentleman known as el Indio in Harlem NY changes the design to what is known today of the Lugs and in the mid 60's Martin Cohen improved the design of the Lugs used on the Cuban design timbales and also added one more lug making them 6 lugs. All cuban timbales came with 5 lugs
That makes sense. 6 lugs makes t-rod rollback slower. The more the better.
Were slingerland lugs there first.
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Old 04-20-2018, 01:36 PM
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Looking around the badge it may have had a different mount too.
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Old 04-20-2018, 01:58 PM
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Mounts were very much the same on some as todays, this set in photo was altered stand wise to fit today's standards of stands. Here is a photo of the original stand that these timbales would have had back then. Note the rods that hold up the timbales from stand.
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:10 PM
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Cuco, those are beautiful timbales. Are they 13" and 14"?

NO Butchie the are odd ball sizes 14 1/2 X 15 1/2 and the timbalon 15 1/2 x 16 1/2 x 15 nothing like what you see today. Reason you have to use Calf heads on them and the reason Leedy were invented to standardize head sizes
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