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Old 10-09-2019, 07:28 PM
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Whether I'm interested in buying is irrelevant. I still have the right to ask, politely, how the price was determined. The seller responded back to me again and said that he's played all over the world since he was 18. (so, what's that got to do with anything?) He also said that Charlie Watts offered him this price. If Charlie doesn't buy them, then Joey Kramer will. My reply was to sell them to Mr. Watts!

Yes, sellers can ask whatever they want, but, I have the right to ask questions about price and how they determined this amount. The bottom line is that this seller is completely ignorant about vintage Rogers drums. And, yes, I did note that this is his first post AND that he can't spell "Rogers" correctly. What does that say about him?

-Mark
I'm with Mark, and it's no secret that I also politely email ignoramus sellers, like this crack smoking idiot: Zero transactions, can't spell Rogers, and takes crappy photos.

I won't bother this time, but my inclination is to tell him he's a flaming fool. Just wait; when he gets absolutely NO bids, he may smarten up and do some research to see what the drums are really worth.
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Old 10-09-2019, 08:13 PM
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Omg. Sometimes you guys are really out there.
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Old 10-09-2019, 08:21 PM
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BTW, the set is for sale on Ebay UK as well.
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'64 Slingerland, 13/16/20/22 (to be restored)
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'73 Slingerland, Sky Blue Pearl, 12/13/16/22
'72 Slingerland, Red Tiger Pearl, 12/13/16/16/22
'74 Slingerland Gold Sparkle, 13/14/18/24
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Old 10-09-2019, 08:35 PM
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Didn't the listing, itself, indicate that the seller was ignorant of Rogers drums? You know, sometimes, the internet "community" seems a lot like the Spanish Inquisition.


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Old 10-09-2019, 08:35 PM
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Omg. Sometimes you guys are really out there.
Some of us are incensed about ignorant people trying to sell vintage drums for indecent amounts of money, that's all. None of us expect everyone to sell below market value all the time, but for heaven's sake, if you're going to sell anything-it doesn't matter what it is-at least learn the true market value before you post the item for sale at a reasonable price. I also think there are too many people trying to hook suckers.
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Old 10-09-2019, 08:40 PM
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Some interior screws are rusty, is that an indication that they may have been stored in a damp place?
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Old 10-09-2019, 08:54 PM
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Who determines what decent/indecent means here? Ebay? Craig's List? Who is the council that decides what's fair? Drum Forums? HA!

I think the suckers are the sellers who let someone else decide what their selling prices should be when selling their own, personal belongings -especially if it's desirable stuff that isn't made anymore.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:03 AM
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Local pickup only. So probably not a scam, but also probably not going to sell.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:18 AM
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This whole thing about pricing....Just a few weeks ago, a Gladstone snare drum with the original stand came up for sale and was priced at $85K....remember that? What happened? Anyone know? I don't remember seeing any "outrage" over that listing. I just remember a lot of people saying "OOOOOOhhh....AAAAAhhhhh" about what a beautiful drum it was! I was one of them! I wonder if anyone sent the seller a polite email asking how that price was determined....I kinda doubt it.
So, then, I have to ask where is the line drawn on pricing and who draws it?
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:13 PM
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This whole thing about pricing....Just a few weeks ago, a Gladstone snare drum with the original stand came up for sale and was priced at $85K....remember that? What happened? Anyone know? I don't remember seeing any "outrage" over that listing. I just remember a lot of people saying "OOOOOOhhh....AAAAAhhhhh" about what a beautiful drum it was! I was one of them! I wonder if anyone sent the seller a polite email asking how that price was determined....I kinda doubt it.
So, then, I have to ask where is the line drawn on pricing and who draws it?
O-Lugs!

The Gladstone drum you are referring to ended 8-17-19. The seller ended it with the following explanation..."This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available".

That, to me, means a fair price was worked out with an interested buyer and the auction was ended. Happens quite a lot with desirable and high priced items. This drum had been discussed over at DFO, with everyone agreeing that it is a rare drum, with a cool stand, and most know of its history. Really tough to put a price on these one-of-a-kind and historic drums.

In the case of the Bonham kit, it's a well-done, but pieced together, kit and was done more for the enjoyment of the father to help his son to appreciate John Bonham and Led Zeppelin. There's just no authenticity to the kit or evidence that it was played by JB.

When asking how price is determined and where do you draw the line on pricing and who draws it? I'd have to say the vintage drum community at large...meaning those of us who are very familiar with these items and can make "educated" guesses based on knowledge.

You can't count on drum resellers for pricing, because, in my mind, they are pricing said items for large profits and not what individuals know as fair pricing.

I don't mean to belabor the point on all this. However, many of our members take issue with questioning a sellers price, while many others say they have the right to question the seller as to how they arrived at their pricing. Nothing wrong with that, as long as it's done in a professional and courteous manner.

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