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Old 07-08-2019, 12:34 PM
Glaze148 Glaze148 is offline
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Default Paint stripping over a wrap

Hi All,
I have this painted 24Ē Rogers Script badge BD that shows what I believe is a black strata wrap underneath.
The paint appears to have been sprayed on pretty thickly.
I did try a test area of graffiti remover, but it hardly had an effect
I searched here a bit, and noted a few suggestions. The mention of lead paint is a concern.
One was using 5f5 stripper, which Iíve never seen before ?
Taping inside holes, and edges was a good tip.
The job seems pretty daunting, but finding that wrap underneath is exciting. I hope itís not cracked in places ?
Any suggestions would be welcome.
Iím not the most patient of people, so I may give up and sell it ?
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Old 07-08-2019, 04:30 PM
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Default Re: Paint stripping over a wrap

In Photo #2 I can clearly see brush strokes, but that may have been just to clean up missed spots or drips.

VDF User Black Label just did a spectacular job of removing paint from a pearl Ludwig wrap. I’m sure he can point you in the right direction.

Josh
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Old 07-08-2019, 04:50 PM
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In Photo #2 I can clearly see brush strokes, but that may have been just to clean up missed spots or drips.

VDF User Black Label just did a spectacular job of removing paint from a pearl Ludwig wrap. Iím sure he can point you in the right direction.

Josh
Thank you very much
Iíll reach out
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Old 07-08-2019, 04:54 PM
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Default Re: Paint stripping over a wrap

That's weird... they obviously painted the shell with the lugs in place, but since those lugs aren't painted black, someone must have taken the expense of replacing all the hardware.

As mentioned above, check out Black Label's post. You can't get a better example of stripping paint off a pearl wrap.


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Old 07-09-2019, 05:34 PM
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Well, I have good news and bad. The good news is it can be saved! The bad news: it will take you 20+ hours of meticulous sanding to do it right. Start with 200-300 grit until you see wrap, doing like an 8x8 area at a time. Move to 400-600 grit to remove the rest of the paint. Forgot to mention, wet sanding. Use an alcohol/water mix 10/90. Then move to 1000, 1600 and up to a 2000 grit. Once all the paint is gone and you sanded this all by hand, the swearing on the person who painted it sinks in. Get a headlight restoration kit from Walmart. Use it to finish off the sanding all around the shell.
Finally, if you have the intestinal fortitude to get this far, use Novus 2 to mechanically buff the wrap then 1 to hand shine. The results can be amazing! I did an early 50’s Gretsch kit that was spray painted gold over the blue sparkle. Took me over 50 hours to complete, below is a pic of the bass drum during the process. Tedious? Hell yes! Worth the effort? Absolutely! Give your fingers a rest often!
Good luck, take your time, and test a spot first!
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Old 07-09-2019, 07:06 PM
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Well, I have good news and bad. The good news is it can be saved! The bad news: it will take you 20+ hours of meticulous sanding to do it right. Start with 200-300 grit until you see wrap, doing like an 8x8 area at a time. Move to 400-600 grit to remove the rest of the paint. Forgot to mention, wet sanding. Use an alcohol/water mix 10/90. Then move to 1000, 1600 and up to a 2000 grit. Once all the paint is gone and you sanded this all by hand, the swearing on the person who painted it sinks in. Get a headlight restoration kit from Walmart. Use it to finish off the sanding all around the shell.
Finally, if you have the intestinal fortitude to get this far, use Novus 2 to mechanically buff the wrap then 1 to hand shine. The results can be amazing! I did an early 50ís Gretsch kit that was spray painted gold over the blue sparkle. Took me over 50 hours to complete, below is a pic of the bass drum during the process. Tedious? Hell yes! Worth the effort? Absolutely! Give your fingers a rest often!
Good luck, take your time, and test a spot first!
Super fine work!!

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Old 07-09-2019, 09:47 PM
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Well, I have good news and bad. The good news is it can be saved! The bad news: it will take you 20+ hours of meticulous sanding to do it right. Start with 200-300 grit until you see wrap, doing like an 8x8 area at a time. Move to 400-600 grit to remove the rest of the paint. Forgot to mention, wet sanding. Use an alcohol/water mix 10/90. Then move to 1000, 1600 and up to a 2000 grit. Once all the paint is gone and you sanded this all by hand, the swearing on the person who painted it sinks in. Get a headlight restoration kit from Walmart. Use it to finish off the sanding all around the shell.
Finally, if you have the intestinal fortitude to get this far, use Novus 2 to mechanically buff the wrap then 1 to hand shine. The results can be amazing! I did an early 50ís Gretsch kit that was spray painted gold over the blue sparkle. Took me over 50 hours to complete, below is a pic of the bass drum during the process. Tedious? Hell yes! Worth the effort? Absolutely! Give your fingers a rest often!
Good luck, take your time, and test a spot first!
Iím very frightened now. Yikes.
So I guess you are advising against paint stripper, or thinner.
I was planning on starting that approach in a few days.
What about all the paint dust.
I realize that a mask would be necessary.
Iím not sure my hands would hold up to that much sanding.
considering my arthritis. Itís a big drum.
I guess I could give it a go, and a backup plan would be to have Precision re wrap it.
Iím not interested in making money off of it to any great extent Thank you very much for your detailed technique
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:28 AM
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They can be a LOT of work. But also very rewarding. I posted this a while back. But here is my mid 60's Ludwig WMP 14x14 floor tom that I stripped recently. It did require some major patience.....and a break from it! So glad that I stuck with it though.

Mike
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Old 07-10-2019, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: Paint stripping over a wrap

Hi there - I can honesty vouch for lacquer thinners - i used it to clean up the paint over the wrap and all the hardware on my project and it worked just fine without any damage to the wrap.

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Old 07-10-2019, 01:52 PM
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Default Re: Paint stripping over a wrap

I got 2 coats of paint off shells using lacquer thinner, but that was on lacquer finish, not a wrap. You can try denatured alcohol first if you want to try something milder.

I bought a plastic tub made for mixing cement at Lowes. BEWARE - lacquer thinner will eat through plastic except for #5 plastic. (the hard plastic 5 gal buckets are made from)
Poured an inch or two of thinner in the bottom, dipped the shell in for 20-30 sec and then scraped the soft paint off with a plastic scraper.

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